Mapping out The City.

theBlackman on 9/9/2005 at 23:03

The Map is of the LOCATION OF THE TALISMAN'S. Remember your old Pirate maps?

X marks the spot.

The Icon of the TALISMAN identifies the specific talisman. The location of it ON THE MAP and the little arrow point to WHERE THE REAL TALISMAN is in the REAL WORLD.

Just like the drawn 3D maps of the TDS show the locations of the buildings etc.

So... ICON of talisman on carved map = Location of TRUE TALISMAN in the real world.

jtr7 on 9/9/2005 at 23:12

The talisman marks show where the talisman's have been hidden away on the X and Y axes only. Without consulting a walkthrough for Thief Gold, I can't say if the talisman in the Mages' Tower is above or below, nor can I say the same for the talisman hidden at the opera house in Song of the Caverns. The talisman hidden in the Lost City (Karath din) is underground. I believe the talisman hidden in the Hammer Cathedral is above ground (it's not on the basement level, is it? It's been too long...).

Maybe someone else can give you the short answer. :)

MorbusG on 9/9/2005 at 23:24

Ok, so what I don't understand, is that the fire & water talismans are located in lost city. Ok, so they're underground.
Then there are earth & air talismans, both located in mission "undercover" (sorry for mixup earlier with "strange bedfellows").
If we look at the grotto map, either the hammerite fortification is one hell of a big building, covering all of the grotto map, or there is something more to it that I can't see.
Can someone clarify further?

EDIT: Ok so the talismans weren't where I said they were (I was looking at the keepers chapel as I don't own the gold-version). This is getting more and more confusing...

MorbusG on 9/9/2005 at 23:31

Quote Posted by sysqc

Or am I just really, really stupid

Bingo.

Thanks though.

jtr7 on 10/9/2005 at 00:40

I assume you have figured it out, but just in case someone hasn't: The arrows point to almost the exact spot (as far as the illustrator understood from the information he/she was given), not a general area, each little shape represents a building of indeterminate height, depth, and architecture. The lines between are the roads, alleyways, etc. Sorry if I seem a bit pedantic.

theBlackman on 10/9/2005 at 01:39

To expand a little more (pedanticism runs rampant).

The confusion comes from the frame of referrence for the Keeper Map.

To some in this discussion of "mapping Garrett's world" it is a map of THE CITY.

To others, a partial map left by the Keepers, and used by them for whatever purpose.

the KEEPER MAP in the grotto (TDP-TGOLD) is specifically a map of WHERE THE KEEPERS HID THE TALISMANS. Not a map of city transportation, canals, etc.

So. the Icons of the talismans are showing the location. Just like any city map or travel map with names of parks, monuments or other

EDIT: To avoid confusion. SIGHT is the operative in the above (city map location referrences) SITE is the purpose of the ICONS of the talismans. Merely an axis ( the corner of Baron's Way, and Shalesgate for example). Be they underground, three floors above or laying on the street. The map merely shows: "We hid them in this general area."

jtr7 on 10/9/2005 at 03:36

Yep. What theBlackman said.

And thank you for saying it. Many of us have wanted to see an official map of The City so badly that we've gotten obsessive over the details of scraps, failing to see their simplicity. ;)

But we're so close! :D

Sxerks on 10/9/2005 at 14:25

The Earth talisman in the Mages' Tower is above ground.
Also:
From the briefing video:
"They live isolated beyond the city"
Mages, the Hand Brotherhood

So the Mage Towers are beyond the city, so the arrow on the keepers map points to a location outside the city, not to X marks the spot.

Some other thing from Thief Gold to ponder over.
A conversation from the Thieves Guild mission:

T1: When partners fight it's never good.
T2: I heard that, we get Donal on the South side and Rueben on the North, if something goes down we'll be caught in the middle of it.

They stole Lord Randall vases.
Donal and Rueben are leaders of downwinders.

I'm not sure if this implies that the Overlords Fancy is in the middle of the North and South Quarter, or just North and South in that general area.

MorbusG on 11/9/2005 at 22:59

Back on the subject after a journey of being mistaken for a retarded fetus on crack.

Quote Posted by Solabusca

Except that Stone Market is listed on the full City Map from TDS. As is South Quarter and Old Quarter.

If Stone market would be a district in the same sense as Old quarter, it would create an odd shape for Old quarter - something you criticized earlier if I understood correctly.
Proof being: clocktower location -> keeper libraries -> keeper compound relation.

I made a vector-layered .psd-(http://whitecortex.net/~mikko/thief/mikko_t3_clean.psd) file (~14,5MB!) for all who are interested to try out this puzzle with as little hassle as possible.

Sxerks: nice findings there.

Solabusca on 12/9/2005 at 06:28

Quote Posted by sysqc

If Stone market would be a district in the same sense as Old quarter, it would create an odd shape for Old quarter - something you criticized earlier if I understood correctly.

How does suggesting that a neighbourhood we've already decided exists is a sub-section of a larger, KNOWN TO BE SPLIT section (The Barricades, etc) quarter argue your point? With positive backing by location names (Shalebridge Cradle) no less?

Stonemarket exists on the TDS map. It's a seperate section, patrolled by it's own Watch officers.

Quote Posted by sysqc

Proof being: clocktower location -> keeper libraries -> keeper compound relation.

Proof? Please explain further, because you've lost me here. I'd take a look at your diagram, but don't have the means.

.j.