Mapping out The City.

Grundbegriff on 10/8/2001 at 19:24

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Originally posted by Sharga:
So Garrett has two apartments! No wonder he's always getting into trouble when it comes to money and landlords. But I suppose it is actually a wise decision because he is open to a larger range of oppertunities.

It's not just a "decision", nor is it arbitrary. We can be nearly certain that Garrett moves from one home to another during the intervening year (TG-->T2), since the area around his new apartment, the scale of the streets, the style of the canals, and the range of architecture around the new place is quite different from those connected to his old "Home Turf" location.

This was explained earlier in the thread, IIRC.

Garrett's apartment in Ambush isn't the same apartment to which he flees at the end of Assassins. This much is clear from in-game observation.

Grundbegriff on 10/8/2001 at 19:57

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Originally posted by Munin the Raven:
The Potted Plant has struck a major chord in the mapping procedure here. Because Thief is in a fantasy setting, we have no guarantee that the solar, lunar, stellar, hemispherical, and magnetic mechanics are the same as they are on earth.... There's nothing that indicates that the sun and moon rise in the east in Thief:

That's right. But we're not floating freely in our interpretations. The gameworld is clearly analogous to the real world, and in general the game is playable because of the Working Assumption: the gameworld is like the Real World unless the game itself teaches us otherwise. In other words, we assume continuity and require evidence for alleged discontinuities. In still other words, show me the in-game evidence that the sun doesn't rise in the East in the City, and you'll have a point.

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* there's a Pagan-style map of the City ... extract some information from this conversation and crude map.

Where's the map. Do you mean that Viktoria passes her hand over a map exposed in the grass while she's kneeling?

Josh Engdahl on 10/8/2001 at 20:10

In spite of his words in the briefings, he is much more well-to-do in Thief II. Because his apartment is in a much classier part of town, and although we never saw his first one, the second one is almost definately nicer.

Oliver Gregory on 10/8/2001 at 22:42

Garrett's apartment in Ambush is nicer yes, but surely tht is due to his enterprises, not that his area is any more classy - the other apartments are very bland compared, since they are not occupied by a master thief. I got the impression that the area in Ambush is fairly lower class - the Crippled Burrick being a fairly rough pub and the area's proximity to Shalebridge seem to show it is certainly a rich area.

Josh Engdahl on 10/8/2001 at 23:42

I mean compared to Assassins in TG/TDP, because there it looks like Garrett sleeps in an alley beside an old run-down factory where rows of Asian women and children braid cheap shoelaces.
I said LOOKS LIKE mind you.

Agent Monkeysee on 11/8/2001 at 01:47

Where is Garrett's apartment located in the Assassins map? I don't recall running into it at all. Just Farkus' and Ramirez's place.

Grundbegriff on 11/8/2001 at 02:14

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Originally posted by Agent Monkeysee:
Where is Garrett's apartment located in the Assassins map? I don't recall running into it at all. Just Farkus' and Ramirez's place.

Play Assassins on Expert and trigger the alarm. Then skulk or flee through the streets until you see a Mission Complete video. The place where you were standing just before that video played is labeled "Home Turf" on the Assassins map. I take it that Garrett's apartment is the one (in that area) that has a conspicuous red door, or that it lies beyond that door somewhere.

Note too that LOST begins with Garrett's having just come through that doorway.

Sharga on 11/8/2001 at 03:49

Interesting observation there.
Grundy- You should make a more detailed map up at your developing site. Along with all the other hoards of things that you will have there ;)

SN on 11/8/2001 at 06:54

In The Lost City, Garrett starts in one of the doorways of that little section. That's either his home/apartment or a friend's place :)

Grundbegriff on 11/8/2001 at 06:59

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Originally posted by ShortName:
*snip*

Didn't I just write that only two messages above your own?