potterr on 14/7/2005 at 22:41

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Upgraded the exe again from the same link ( (http://www.potterdevelopments.org.uk/fm/files/downloadfile.pl?DLID=2224431) http://www.potterdevelopments.org.uk/fm/files/downloadfile.pl?DLID=2224431 ) to version 0.03.
EDIT: sorry at it again, its now version 0.04 with a few more pictures and an alternative for one (thanks to an image Str8g8 posted earlier in the thread).

There are two pictures in the zip as well now, they must be in the same location as the exe is on your PC for the time being.
When you now move your mouse over grid ref 17,6 (grid ref currently shows in the top left of the small map at the bottom right), the grid square highlight image should change. The idea being that the image now shown is a thumbnail of a closeup of that section of map and you would then be able to click on it to bring up a screenshot (you can't at the moment though).
Also the tool is currently hard coded for the image file names included, but will allow for any other 100x100 pixel correctly named jpg files.
Anyway I will make the change to enable scanned image file names (as this would be the way the file upgrades get added in) and leave it for a few days to let you lot discuss its possibilities and how it could be used to improve/build on the topic of this thread. :thumb:

str8g8 on 15/7/2005 at 08:29

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That's a new idea, certainly. Of course, you realise that it probably mean that the whole map would have to be redrawn, from scratch? OK, just checking.

It would mean that the Ambush map (with the To Shalebridge note, and Shlaebridge Road), along with Garrett's apartment, would have to be down by the docks somewhere ... interestingly the guy at Shipping and Recieving who drinks at the Crippled Burrick would not have so far to walk in that case ...)

It would also mean that Newmarket (the quote about crossing the river) is down thereabouts also, this would mean that Hightowne and Downtowne (ASSASSIN map) also would move there somewhere ...

Well, my advice is to draw it and see how it pans out, that's really the test of any theory. I admit the present map isn't perfect (actually it's full of holes) but a perfect map, that fits all the evidence to the letter, is probably impossible.

About Shalebridge being a poor area or a rich area ... well there are 2 contradictory pieces of evidence - firstly the guy from LotP who holidays in Shalebridge implies it is a nice district. But Garrett's words in Ambush about hiding out in Shalebridge implies the opposite - that it is a lawless area where he can lie low without drawing attention to himself. Also Garretts fence is in Taft Avenue, Shalebridge (Shipping and Recieving).

As you say, it all boils down to interpretation ... but we'd have to have a very good reason to change things in such a fundamental way at this point.

cheers
str8g8

str8g8 on 15/7/2005 at 14:46

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OK, that's kind of interesting.

A few questions: Is your New Market the market place that we see in the Ambush map? What is GY? What is the area marked home?

First thing that struck me: check out page 12 of this thread (I think) and read Mugla list of evidence. There you'll read:



Your map shows Shalebridge SE of ambush map, (if I am reading it correctly). :erg:

And you're not stirring things up, a fresh perspective is always welcome. :)

cheers
str8g8

Mugla on 15/7/2005 at 15:57

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Is this inactivity a vacuum-abhorring -effect?
Nice work there new people, hope you stick around. :D

str8g8: Yes, try that new alternative if you can. I do remember a part in T1 05-cutscene, where G. meets Con. You can hear seagulls, and see the 'edge', meaning the waterfront quite close in the beginning. But, that's just an irrelevant piece for you, isn't it.
And we need an update on that evidence-page, a more filled and closer to new-people.

sysqc: Hometurf expanded under it as the current placing required it. No real reason at all, so go ahead and try the other alternative and tell us what happens. You might also have to lower SQ to reach over the Docks-text in that map. So, where are you from Finland anyway?

potterr: I hope you can stay and upgrade that a few times after we're finished? That's one hellova piece of a tool there.

potterr on 15/7/2005 at 20:15

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Just thought I would explain the ini file stuff so you can have a go at building more buildings...The 10_6.ini file is the more complete one (the other does not have an info section).

The [POINTS] section
Num = 32 'this = the number of points that are drawn (however we start from 0 so the highest number will be 31)

'x,y,z
0=-40,-30,40
1=40,-30,40
2=40,-30,-40
3=-40,-30,-40
4=-40,-29,40
5=40,-29,40
6=40,-29,-40
7=-40,-29,-40
This is the first object, it has 6 faces made up of 8 points, and will always be the ground in the 3d view. Most of them are minus numbers so that the floor appears to be looked down on. Starting from point 0, this is 40 left from center, 30 below center and 40 forward from center (front left corner), point 1 is front right corner, etc.

The [PLANES] section
Num=24 ' number of line used to make teh faces of the objects

0=0,1,2,3
1=7,6,5,4
2=1,5,6,2
3=0,4,5,1
4=0,3,7,4
5=3,2,6,7
Ok, this is effectively a join the dots exercise, 0= POINT 0 connects to POINT 1, connects to POINT 2, connects to POINT 3, making the underside of the ground. point 1, is the upper side of the ground. NOTE it is important to follow the number patterns for each object otherwise you can cause a mess.

The [OBJECTS] section
Num=4 ' number of objects starting from 0 (0 always being the ground)
[OBJECT0]
Planes=0,1,2,3,4,5
Desc=Ground
Axis=1
Offset=0,0,0
Points=0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7
Ok the object number should appear to the right of the word OBJECT (its easy to follow if you look in the ini itself). Planes = what object faces make up this object (in theory, although I havent tried yet, you should be able to make L shapped or other shaped objects rather than 2 joined together). The desc is a description of what it is (alpha numeric characters only). the Axis is what axis to turn on (these should all be the same for each object otherwise you can end up with buildings flying off the ground). Offset is how off from the center the turn rotation should be (bets to keep at 0). Points are what points are used to make the object (must match up with the way the planes are constructed).

The [LINKS] section
Num=4 ' this indicates what objects are joined, all objects should be joined to object 0 (after the first comma) unless you do a roof (good luck to you) in which case it should be the object its joined to.
Angle0=0,0,-1,0
Angle1=1,0,-1,0
Angle2=2,0,-1,0
Angle3=3,0,-1,0

The [INFO] section
Name=Shalebridge Road In ShaleBridge
Missions=ShaleBridge Road
Info=a bit of info about the area
This speaks for itself really. Note, all content here should be on the same line (multilines may not work).

Anyway give it a go and let me know what you create (you can leave the map open but not the 3d view when you edit). It is painstaking work to begin with and can be very confusing but once you get the hang of it it should be fairly quick to do stuff with (I will get round to doing some kind of editor at some point...which will be a nightmare to build).