Mapping out The City. - by Digital Nightfall
Doc_Brown on 13/7/2005 at 05:53
:angel: Hallelujah! Thief Gold intel! You don't know how long I've been trying to get ahold of that stuff. Many thanks.
Sorry about my absence, gents. You remember that nasty bug that hit me awhile ago? It came back. Little blighter... :nono: Anyway, seeing as Mugla might not have as much time to contribute, I figure I better get my rear in gear and contribute more significantly. Here's hoping.
Oh, and str8g8, awesome looking FM you've got brewing there. You never said you were so multi-talented... :thumb:
str8g8 on 13/7/2005 at 10:03
Sxerks: That's pretty in-depth - good work :thumb: I'll go through it in more detail tonight... Your observations about the direction of the water flow is a bit of a pain :erg: not sure what to do about that.
It's funny, I also got into the map project through editor work. Your FM sounds very interesting. One question though: wasn't the sealed section walled up 100s of years ago? or at least before G was born? Are you planning on using another protagonist?
Doc_Brown: multi-talented? Jack of all trades, master of none, I'm afraid. Glad to have you back, I'd be interested to hear your opinion on the latest map.
cheers
str8g8
MorbusG on 13/7/2005 at 16:34
I did crawl through the first 16 pages or so, you can call me lazy bastard, but I'd like to know why Shalebridge Cradle isn't located in Shalebridge?
Also the idea didn't get much discussion that when you start cradle in T3, you actually just walk down a street, ie. G would just know where to walk to proceed on his quest, without the player needing to walk through lots of different districts. Ie. it doesn't mean cradle should be located in old quarter, only that he starts his walk to shalebridge from there.
Also how did shalebridge end up all the way up there? I somehow imagined to be on the same side of river as newmarket, and near old quarter gathering from the quotes from the game.
The rich people would be kind of facing each other (auldale and shalebridge).
Sorry for bad english.
Dussander on 13/7/2005 at 16:59
The Cradle had a staff member called Dr. Shalebridge, I could be mistaken but I got the impression that he was the head staff Doctor ... incharge of some of the difficult patients of the White Hall (King No. 1; the woman with the stillborn; the patient with the birdhouses & the woman who takes dance recitals).
Could be unrelated to the district of Shalebridge
Spymaster on 13/7/2005 at 17:10
Quote Posted by Dussander
The Cradle had a staff member called Dr. Shalebridge, I could be mistaken but I got the impression that he was the head staff Doctor ... incharge of some of the difficult patients of the White Hall (King No. 1; the woman with the stillborn; the patient with the birdhouses & the woman who takes dance recitals).
Could be unrelated to the district of Shalebridge
It was Dr. SANDbridge as I remember. Shalebridge Cradle ended up in Old Quarter as a result of "shrinking" the City to 5 districts, I presume.
Sxerks on 13/7/2005 at 19:12
str8g8: I figured the water flow would conflict, but I'm sure it can be explained somehow, it would have to have an outlet, maybe back into the river or even the bay.
I also looked at the Haunted Cathedral map and noticed that in the NE where you exit the level, and blow open a gate, there is another street running N-S,could also be running E-W its hard t tell, with buildings and debris and also the sealed wall running N-S.
As for my mission I'm not sure if it will be a long time ago with another protagonist, or more recent, like right before the section got sealed and maybe you would play as a keeper. I'm still playing around with the map to see what is possible, and I still have to find info about the catastrophe.
HERE is the Thief Gold STR files and Goals:
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http://www.geocities.com/sxerks/fantasy02/pic/thiefG_str.zip) Thief Gold STR
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if item is not available it may be found here:
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http://thief.wikia.com/wiki/TG_resources_in_game_text)
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str8g8 on 14/7/2005 at 11:41
Well, we did discuss this, though I can forgive people for not reading the whole thread. :) The cradle IS in Old Quarter, check the cut scene map where it is clearly labeled:
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/kartou/t3mapcradle.jpg) cradle map
We imagine the Cradle was originally intended to be in Shalebridge (as Spymaster says) but that city area got cut, and so it was relocated but kept the name. (That's just a theory, of course).
Our explanation for the name is that the Cradle was built on Shalebridge Road, which runs from the Cradle all the way to South Quarter marketplace (where it is labeled on AMBUSH map) then north to Shalebridge district. Road names aren't on the current map, but they will be, when the general street plan is settled (soon I hope).
The position of Shalebridge district was quite thoroughly discussed also. It is meant to be on the
opposite side of the river from Newmarket (find the quote about the river being low). Also, we have come to the conclusion Shalebridge is a poor district.
cheers
str8g8
MorbusG on 14/7/2005 at 12:33
Quote Posted by str8g8
Well, we did discuss this, though I can forgive people for not reading the whole thread. :) The cradle IS in Old Quarter, check the cut scene map where it is clearly labeled:
Yes, firsttly I'd like to say, that when the mission starts you can see from map that reads "Shalebridge".
My theory is that Shalebridge disctict is in the area where shalebridge cradle is on that map. (There just doesn't read shalebridge district)
Quote Posted by str8g8
The position of Shalebridge district was quite thoroughly discussed also. It is meant to be on the
opposite side of the river from Newmarket (find the quote about the river being low).
I did read that quote from early on, and the "at" cought my eye just as yours too, I interpretend precisely because of that that it would be on the same side as newmarket. BUT that interpretation changes by wether the place is rich or poor. If I remember correcty, it being poor was decided because of the looks of old quarter, which doesn't make much sense to me. :confused:
Also the place would be rich based on the quote "on vacation in shalebridge". But as you say, these can be interpreted in many ways, and only Randy or some other devs could say which is right.
I just wanted to say my opinions about that (which were based on things we find from games)
Good work anyhow! :thumb:
potterr on 14/7/2005 at 19:53
As a test concept for a tool in GarrettLoader I knocked up this standalone exe.
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http://www.potterdevelopments.org.uk/fm/files/downloadfile.pl?DLID=2224431) http://www.potterdevelopments.org.uk/fm/files/downloadfile.pl?DLID=2224431
The exe is simply str8g8's map in a scrollable window (and its far from complete or perfect).
The idea is that it will effectively contain a kind of plan of the city that will help FM authors to decide where to base their FM's.
The tool will allow map and screenshots to be downloaded and added in as well as upgrading the map itself.
NOTE: the UPGRADE menu item does nothing, and the right hand side and bottom of the map get large gray areas if you resize the map after scrolling.
Anyway its just an idea and helps put all your work to use. If you don't think its worth persuing I wont (as it will be a massive amount of work :sweat: ).
EDIT: upgraded exe (same link) to version 0.02 (says in the programs titlebar), added a grid overlay to the map and a grid square highlighter (doesn't do much at the moment).
