Mapping out The City.

Grundbegriff on 9/8/2001 at 01:49

Here's my updated ascii map, copied from my message in the thread
The City and its Districts
(http://www.ttlg.com/forums/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=14&t=006794) http://www.ttlg.com/forums/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=14&t=006794

<pre>
\ |
\ North \
\ Quarter \____________
|---------------| =
\ | \ Wayside Docks =
|Shalebridge| Old Quarter __\___ =
| .-----'| . . ./ ( =
\ ' |______' (-----------+
\/ HighTowne/ \ DownTowne } =
\ / New ; / Eastport =
\______| Market/| ,/ =
New | _/ \____ / =
Quarter | / \___/-\ =
\___/ \ =
| South \ =
| Quarter '---------=
/ / =
/ / Dayport =
=
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[ August 08, 2001: Message edited by: Grundbegriff ]

Saturnine on 9/8/2001 at 09:57

Good work Grundbegriff <IMG SRC="thumb.gif" border="0"> and works out nicely for me too,
If a map is going to be made can I place the Saturnine estate from The Seventh Crystal on the border of HighTowne and ShaleBridge? The reason being that I have placed the High Court building in the general area of the city guard station (which would become Shoalsgate) and in my FM there is a street sign to the High Court just outside the Saturnine estate, so its close.
Cheers :)

Oliver Gregory on 9/8/2001 at 11:41

This is nit-picking i know, since the City is fictional, but on the subject of Dayport, I decided to look 'day' up in a dictionary. There was one interesting entry saying that 'day' can mean the ground surface above a mine. I'm not saying this is the case, but if Day in Dayport refers to an area that was above a mine, I would expect it to be further inland - we never actually see the coast in Dayport anyway. It could be it is on the coast, or maybe further upstream on the backs of a large river in the City. Just my thoughts.

TheWatcher on 9/8/2001 at 11:50

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Originally posted by Oliver Gregory:
 I'm not saying this is the case, but if Day in Dayport refers to an area that was above a mine, I would expect it to be further inland

Not necessarily. A lot of the old Tin mines in the Cornwall/Devon area of the UK have shafts which run out under the sea floor for considerable distances. Many of them have entance shafts and buildings very close to the cliff edges.

Grundbegriff on 9/8/2001 at 13:48

Quote:

Originally posted by Oliver Gregory:
'day' can mean the ground surface above a mine.

That's a fairly obscure and specialized usage. More naturally, one would expect a "Dayport" to be a port that faces the sun.

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if Day in Dayport refers to an area that was above a mine, I would expect it to be further inland - we never actually see the coast in Dayport anyway.

Certainly a mine would more likely be inland than by the sea or by a river. But two questions arise. First, how far inland could Dayport be before it's no longer in the City? Second, if a "guy named Valencia" who's "some kind of diamond exporter" had "just entered Dayport" and would only be "there for a couple of days", would that situation fit with the idea of Dayport as a (diamond?) mine?

To the first question, I think the phrase "while he's in town" in Garrett's tip shows that Valencia is in Dayport and that Dayport is in the City (rather than, say, the foothills).

To the second question, it seems to me that a diamond exporter who shipped diamonds from a mine in an "inland Dayport" would be a long-term resident rather than a short-term visitor. Likewise, such a person would already have a routine facility for storing diamonds and wouldn't need to use the Traders' Bank.

I suppose we could argue that Don Valencia exports diamonds to overseas destinations from various domestic locations including the City and that he routinely uses the Traders' Bank. But then we end up wondering what kind of "port" lies inland and why a Traders' Bank would set up shop near a mining tract rather than by a busy coastal port. ;)

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or maybe further upstream on the backs of a large river in the City.

I'm no expert on mining, but a site near a riverbed seems no more amenable to mining than a site by the sea does. Ground water is ground water!

One further consideration is the fact that the crime warden Webster's turf covers the Wayside Docks, Eastport, and Dayport.

[ August 09, 2001: Message edited by: Grundbegriff ]

Oliver Gregory on 9/8/2001 at 15:22

Yes I agree Grundbegriff, but concerning Valencia, I didn't mean the mines were operational in the time of thief 2.

On more thinking, something that puzzles me:

"I used to have a nice view of the mountatins. I used to watch the Sun rise with my wife, every morning, but now that metal monstrosity casts a permanent shadow over my house."

This seems to indicate that the mountains are to the east, where the Sun rises, not the docks and sea. The guard was unable to see the mountains and the sun rising after Angelwatch was built - so it has blocked the view to what i assume are inland mountains.

This may be because the docks and sea are east of the City, and it is built upon the Western side of a bay, or it is more likely in my opinion that the sea is either to the north or south, accounting for 'Eastport' - it is the most easterly section of docks:
(forgive poor diagram
;)

wayside--------------dayport-------------eastport---
sea=================================================
mountains to east-->

Since, as you said Grundy, Dayport would be further south, I think that the Sea is to the south of the City.
Any thoughts/suggestions?

P.S. I just looked at shipping and receving - the sea is to the south in that mission.

[ August 09, 2001: Message edited by: Oliver Gregory ]

ACT SMILEY on 9/8/2001 at 20:50

I imagined the city to be like <a href="http://www.sphosting.com/actsmiley/citymap.htm">this</A>

Some parts are like G's ASCii map but I think that some parts, like Hightowne being so close to the old quarter in G's map, are better in that. And it also makes sense with Shipping and Recievings coastline.
As for the thing on there being a river, there's a bridge in Thief I's ending sequence.

[ August 09, 2001: Message edited by: ACT SMILEY ]

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Josh Engdahl on 10/8/2001 at 01:17

Wow.

But THIEF IS NOT SET IN OUR UNIVERSE!!

So Sharga, it would NOT be England. That's all I have to say.

Khamoon on 10/8/2001 at 02:12

Umm, no, Thief is not England, but if it happened there, we can assume its possible in other places, like the world of thief.

Josh Engdahl on 10/8/2001 at 02:26

What's possible?