Mapping out The City.

Sxerks on 7/2/2006 at 02:08

I haven't done any measurements recently, having problems with the T3 editor, I'll get to SM and SQ when its working. But they might be around the same size as the OQ one I did.

But I did make my own city map, one where I can move the pieces around easier.

(http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=citymapeditable3th.jpg)

Inline Image:

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/6302/citymapeditable3th.th.jpg

After looking at the shalebridge stuff, I'm certain that it is a district in the OQ and it is located where it is labeled in T3. The servants conversation from Baffords just doesn't make any sense now, everyone has just been inferring that Newmarket is across the river, but why would that matter, since there is also a bridge there, why would you walk across the river bed?

Also I don't think that roads are good as district edges.

Has anyone figured out where the "Wayside" district is in the Docks Quarter?

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Solabusca on 7/2/2006 at 03:04

Interesting sectional map, sxerks.

I'd say that Wayside is the area just beyond the actual docks themselves, where sailors, traders and whatnot would find lodging for their stay in the City. It's also where the dockside whorekeeps would station their wares, if you follow.

As to The Shalebridge Question - I have no objection to it being the bridge and the area surrounding it on either shore, if anyone was waiting for me to weigh in on the matter.

.j.

Mugla on 7/2/2006 at 09:52

All this time I was under the impression Wayside IS the Docks district. More precisely, it is the docks-area on the west side of the River.

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The servants conversation from Baffords just doesn't make any sense now, everyone has just been inferring that Newmarket is across the river, but why would that matter, since there is also a bridge there, why would you walk across the river bed?

Yes, something's always there I forget...
Perhaps peasants aren't allowed to use bridges? :weird:

Or perhaps it was an insider joke? ("Remember the time ole urchin Mittens tried to swim over the canals, just by the bridge? We never saw that old coot afterwards..." Etc.)

Nevermind then.
But nice map there. Was hoping we'd get a real puzzlebox to play with. :p

Sxerks on 8/2/2006 at 03:05

I fixed the photoshop file link in my last post. Not much of a puzzle box, but you can move the pieces.

Here are the things I could find on the docks:
Label:
Wayside Dock District

Conversation:
"Why'd you be going down to Wayside anyway? Nothing there but whores and moneymongers."

Webster
Warden of Docks, Eastport, Dayport.

T3 - only called the Docks

I don't know if they are the same. Could be that Wayside is a district of the Docks or the Docks is a district of Wayside.

As for Shalebridge again, this is just a little thing I made up that 'may' explain the name/location:

The people from the south area of the what is now called the Old Quater built the bridge for whatever reason (maybe for better trade with Eastport on the other bank of the river), and that's why the their district came to be known as Shalebridge.

Just a bunch of random thoughts...

T-Smith on 8/2/2006 at 03:41

Just a question regarding the Wayside / Docks thing.

The 'Docks' we know of are located on the left side of the river, where the river and ocean meet, right? What about on the other side of the river? Are there docks there too? Perhaps one side is referred to as Wayside, while the other merely 'The Docks'.

Though it's much more likely they're both the exact same place.

str8g8 on 8/2/2006 at 13:28

The Shale Bridge would be guarded and the flow of people and traffic monitored. The City Watch would make it their business to stop "undesireables" moving freely into the better off neighbourhoods, just like the network of City Walls and locked gates do.

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All this time I was under the impression Wayside IS the Docks district. More precisely, it is the docks-area on the west side of the River.

That has been the consensus till now. However, I am beginning to think of The Docks as a part of Wayside (specifically the waterfront) as you get variously, "Wayside", "Wayside Docks", "The Docks" and "Dockside" all mentioned. Of course, it could be that these are all just different ways of referring to the same part of the City. But it could also tell us something else, that there is some overlap in the terms: it could indeed be the case that the Docks run along the coast on either bank, so you might get "Dayport Docks" and "Eastport Docks" as well.

Solabusca on 8/2/2006 at 14:33

Quote Posted by T-Smith

Well, Dayport doesn't really seem to be a dock district - it's like an area that's been built up from one.

I think the Keeper Theses put forward the idea that Dayport was dockland that was converted over to house the increasing mercantile/noble population (there's probably a more 'upper-class' docks district attatched, with some in-house traffic), and that Eastport had been converted to the Baronial Quarter, housing much of the City's government and the Baron's residence.

.j.

Mugla on 8/2/2006 at 18:45

These sound fine interpretations. Though my impression on Eastport was, that the mechanists took it mostly over; the water-front might be mostly populated by foundries and industrial docking-areas (the areas which were quickly depleted, as the Rampone's on the Wayside had a mechanist-housing).
On the other hand, a nice coastal-boulevard would seem nice too.

Szandor on 8/2/2006 at 19:54

Quote Posted by str8g8

I'm out of ideas :( I suspect everyone else is too.

I could live with (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/str8g8/City_new.png) this as long as Shalebridge isn't part of Old Quarter and all that. Although there is no need to split Shalebridge across the rver - I'll just forget about the servant's conversation (probably made too much of it in the first place).

What we really need to do is move on, and put some detail back in!

I haven't been following this discussion for some time now, but I have some questions about this version of the map.

1. Where is the bend? I have a strong recollection of a developer leaking the info that the river did indeed have a bend in it.

2. Why do the rivers look like that? Having studied geography I know that an inverted delta like that is not very plausible.

T-Smith on 8/2/2006 at 20:32

Quote Posted by Szandor

1. I believe the bend in up 3/4's up the river, isn't it? Of course, I'm just going from memory.

2. Less plausible then a three eyed demon using a talking gemstone to destroy civilization :P? Real life laws of geography/physics/whatever don't need to apply in the game :p