nihilon_traveller on 24/5/2017 at 18:00
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I'm not really up to date with all the terrorisms, but how many have really been proven to been non-immigration (at least the explodey ones)?
The question should be: how many terrorist attacks in Europe in the recent years were committed by immigrants? Virtually none. The terrorists were either born in Europe or living there for decades. So yes, you're spreading misinformation.
Pyrian on 24/5/2017 at 18:08
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:rolleyes:
Let me explain how your post came across:
"Let's send many of THOSE 12-year old girls to their deaths in a horrific warzone, because there's a chance that decades from now their children might kill a few of THESE 12-year old girls."
Krush on 24/5/2017 at 18:32
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The terrorists were either born in Europe or living there for decades.
Don't you see how that's even
worse? It means we already have millions of potential ticking time bombs living in Europe. And even if the original colonists are not immediately violent, their children or grandchildren will murder you later.
Doesn't it make sense to close the gates now, and stop all immigration from "time-bomb" nations?
Krush on 24/5/2017 at 18:36
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Let's send many of THOSE 12-year old girls to their deaths in a horrific warzone, because there's a chance that decades from now their children might kill a few of THESE 12-year old girls.
I'm proposing to send muslims back to their own homes. If their home is a war zone, they need to take it up with their fellow muslims. Britain's government has a responsibility to protect
the people of Britain, not to rescue every foreign person in the world from a bad home situation. Plus by bringing them here, they will bring their ethnic/tribal conflicts (Sunni versus Shia etc), and Europeans will be caught in those conflicts too.
Also, if you're so concerned about children being in war zones...seems like the kids at that concert the other night were already in a war zone. The British government made Manchester a war zone by inviting the enemy inside the gates.
heywood on 24/5/2017 at 19:17
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People get out of school (with kilo bucks of debt) go buy a new car (more kilo bucks of debt) and then park it in the driveway of their new house (really more kilo bucks of debt) and wonder why the fuck they're not wining. Hey stupid! You might look good but you've got nothing left at the end of the month because Wells Fargo had a better plan for your money than you...'cause see...THEY'VE got it all! But it took two to tango. Greed on
both parties part. Debt is the most successfully marketed product in the world today. So learn to delay pleasure and get it when you can afford it.
Living without debt is great, but not realistic for most people. In order to get into a career that pays a middle class income, a bachelor's degree is becoming a necessity. To get into a career that pays an upper middle class income, a master's or doctorate is often necessary. So almost everybody who wants to avoid a life of lower class wage slavery is going to start out with student debt. Unless your parents are rich and pay your way. Education can be a great investment or a terrible investment. You'd be nuts to pay $70k/year to attend a private college as a theater arts major, but some people do that.
A car is never an investment. But unless you're living and working within a large city with good public transportation, you need a car. It doesn't have to be a fancy car, or a new car, just safe & reliable transportation. Maybe you're lucky and you get a free car handed down by your parents or grandparents. If not, you're probably looking at a car loan, because if you're in school or fresh out of school, you don't have any savings. The sooner you can get yourself out of that car loan, the better. When auto loans are cheap, like they have been in recent years, a lot of people act like it's free money and buy bigger and nicer cars than they ought to. Luxury SUVs are common around here. They are very expensive, short lived toys.
Most people I know purchased a suburban house after they got married and were getting ready to have kids. Most waited until their student loan debt was paid off before taking on a mortgage. The main reason why they purchased a house is so their kids can grow up in a safe and kid friendly neighborhood, and be in a good public school district if they can afford to. Those are not unreasonable wants. Real estate is usually a pretty safe long term investment, worth borrowing money for, especially when rates are low. I didn't purchase a home until I was 31, and I'm still kicking myself for waiting. Among my friends, the earlier they purchased a home, the better off they are.
Thor on 24/5/2017 at 20:00
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The question should be: how many terrorist attacks in Europe in the recent years were committed by immigrants? Virtually none. The terrorists were either born in Europe or living there for decades. So yes, you're spreading misinformation.
Now, now, even if that is technically correct, that is not exactly a key detail. Does living there for a while remove them as being called immigrants? If so, sorry for spreading misinformation from a technicality's point of view, albeit definitely not from a semantic point of view. And that only further shows that even decades of living here didn't teach them any of western culture and its values.
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I don't see how America forced Europe to take in millions of migrants. Why are Poland and Hungary different, with their strong fences?
They are the ones that didn't accept to take it up the ass without questions. Salute to those countries.
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I keep thinking Islam is going to cross some line that wakes you guys up, but apparently 12 year old girls getting a faceful of hot shrapnel wasn't the line. Oh well, you'll get another chance soon enough.
Haha, nice one. Well played. That's just
asking for verbal abuse.
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I'm proposing to send muslims back to their own homes. If their home is a war zone, they need to take it up with their fellow muslims. Britain's government has a responsibility to protect
the people of Britain, not to rescue every foreign person in the world from a bad home situation. Plus by bringing them here, they will bring their ethnic/tribal conflicts (Sunni versus Shia etc), and Europeans will be caught in those conflicts too.
Kinda, and preferrably also take away all the weapons that America so diligently gave them. It was America, right? I guess Russia was into that business too though, so I don't remember who's responsible for what there.
But in all seriousness, with how many millions are in Europe already, sending them all back would be a crazy ordeal. There should be a way to just distinguish crazy radicals from ones that are actually integrating in society (however many there are of those anyway). A magical lie detector. Although maybe radicals have no conscience, so probably an ineffective method.
Krush on 24/5/2017 at 20:05
These guys have no answers except for snark and verbal abuse.
heywood on 24/5/2017 at 20:11
Quote Posted by Krush
I'm proposing to send muslims back to their own homes. If their home is a war zone, they need to take it up with their fellow muslims. Britain's government has a responsibility to protect
the people of Britain, not to rescue every foreign person in the world from a bad home situation. Plus by bringing them here, they will bring their ethnic/tribal conflicts (Sunni versus Shia etc), and Europeans will be caught in those conflicts too.
How many terror attacks in the West have been perpetrated by refugees or their offspring? Has there been any at all? You assume every Muslim is a potential terrorist, but I think that's a pretty poor assumption given the number of terrorists vs. the number of Muslims.
When the IRA was conducting terrorist attacks, did we ban all Irish? Have we banned all Basques?
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Also, if you're so concerned about children being in war zones...seems like the kids at that concert the other night were already in a war zone. The British government made Manchester a war zone by inviting the enemy inside the gates.
There's a very large difference between an isolated arena bombing that killed 22 and a war that killed 400+ thousand and destroyed cities.
Thor on 24/5/2017 at 20:15
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These guys have no answers except for snark and verbal abuse.
That is the general way of the media nowadays. Feels reminiscent of religious zealots from ancient tales. Don't have an argument? Doesn't matter, you have a sharp sword. Or tongue, in this case. It's nice that we don't have to fight with fists and weapons at least. Not yet, anyway.
Krush on 24/5/2017 at 20:27
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How many terror attacks in the West have been perpetrated by refugees or their offspring?
As I already addressed above: The fact that many of these attackers are second-generation immigrants means the problem is
even worse than we thought. The ones you let in today might have no hatred against the West, but their children will conduct jihad operations decades later.
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You assume every Muslim is a potential terrorist, but I think that's a pretty poor assumption
When one man can kill 20 and wound dozens, or kill 49 and wound 50 more as in Orlando...or a small group can kill or injure 482 people (Bataclan attacks)...then the risk is just too great. If there is a bowl of 100 candies and they tell you only three are deadly poisoned, how many of them will you eat?
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When the IRA was conducting terrorist attacks, did we ban all Irish?
Obviously not, but it would have been a reasonable response. Of course half the problem is occupation of other peoples' land, just as in Northern Ireland. I'm not asking muslims to accept westerners' attacks on their lands either. I'm saying we all get out of each others' faces. We don't invade and attack them, and they don't come here and attack us. Sounds like a plan huh?
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There's a very large difference between an isolated arena bombing that killed 22 and a war that killed 400+ thousand and destroyed cities.
I'm pretty sure the 12 year old girls at the Arianna Grande concert didn't sign off on any bombings of Iraq or Syria, so they shouldn't have to pay for it with their lives. It seems like Islam has decided that we're all responsible for these things, no matter the age, sex or nationality. Collective punishment.
