Thor on 23/5/2017 at 10:33
Quote Posted by hopper
What's the point of writing such crap, Gryz? You're better than this.
Nah, it's just a bit of satire in regards to the usual laughable media's coverage of these events. Otherwise more people might start thinking that things like immigration play a role these events and they can't have that (though I'm jumping several steps ahead here).
N'Al on 23/5/2017 at 11:11
Quote Posted by Thor
(though I'm jumping several steps ahead here).
No shit.
So far, there's no information yet on who the bomber was, let alone that he was an immigrant - in all likelihood, he may well be, but as of now this is
not confirmed. As such, claiming that he is right now is simply irresponsible.
The Borussia Dortmund bus bomber turned out to be someone completely unexpected too.
Gryzemuis on 23/5/2017 at 12:19
Quote Posted by N'Al
As such, claiming that he is right now is simply irresponsible.
Irresponsible ?
Irresponsible to whom ?
Irresponsible to Isis ?
Are you suggesting we have a responsibility to not accuse the innocent until guilt has been proven ? Are you suggesting we have that same responsibility towards Isis ?
I'll make it simple. I feel no responsibility towards Isis. I'll accuse them of doing horribly stuff whenever I feel like accusing them. If it turns out it wasn't them (a chance of 1 out of 10), I'll take back what I said. But I won't even apologize. They've done enough already that they deserve no sympathy at all. No politeness. No common decency. They deserve nothing.
N'Al on 23/5/2017 at 12:40
For someone who's so keen on 'calling things what they are' you are awfully keen on just making shit up before it's verified.
This has nothing to do with sympathy or politeness or common decency. This has all to do with what is fact and what is not. At the time of your previous posting ISIS' involvement was NOT yet fact. Pretending otherwise is not 'calling things what they are', but simply lying.
Now that we know they're involved, I'm all for calling them the shitbags that they are, no problem.
Gryzemuis on 23/5/2017 at 13:07
This is fact:
(
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/866993710181093377/photo/1)
Maybe indeed we should postpone our judgement about this. Like reasonable people. Honoring the law and the ideas behind modern judicial systems. Maybe Isis had a very good reason to bring a fragmentation bomb to a children's party. We don't know yet. Indeed we should wait for the police investigation. Hear what Isis has to say about the this specific case. Give them a chance to defend themselves. And then we'll wait until a judge has ruled about the case. And then maybe wait for the appeals. And then we can finally say what we think. Because if we respond too hastily, that would be irresponsible. Yep.
Thor on 23/5/2017 at 13:30
I'm not really up to date with all the terrorisms, but how many have really been proven to been non-immigration (at least the explodey ones)? I mean, technically it's irresponsible to misinform, so saying "suspected terrorist attack" (or highly suspected might be better) is like the most technically correct way to phrase it (within like the first day or something). It's just that at the same time when it's confirmed a little later, the only possible response to pretty much all of these cases (like this one) is: "No shit."
But yeah, tradeoffs. Want to be seen as holy and non-discriminatory by the gesture of letting pretty much anyone in your country? Swallow occasional swarm of innocent, senseless deaths. It's a transparent trade-off that politicians and obviously most people here are willing to make.
If I, for instance, would be a country leader, I would just go with showing respect in other ways, such as minding my own turf... maybe participate in specific cases where it makes sense. Kinda like Switzerland and some other eastern europe countries. Glad I don't live in one of these overly multicultural terrorism countries, although it seems like we're slowly being forced down that route as well, because EU.
An off-note: It's proven over and over again that global homogenization is a non-trivial process and it seems that forcing it does not bring much good. Maybe it will happen naturally, but it will probably take a while. Maybe it will never happen, as these inherited cultures have such a strong "will".
N'Al on 23/5/2017 at 13:31
@ Gryzemuis:
If you're implying that I suggested any of that, then here's another fact for you: you're a bleeding idiot.
Thirith on 23/5/2017 at 13:41
Quote Posted by Thor
If I, for instance, would be a country leader, I would just go with showing respect in other ways, such as minding my own turf... maybe participate in specific cases where it makes sense.
Kinda like Switzerland and some other eastern europe countries.
Glad I don't live in one of these overly multicultural terrorism countries, although it seems like we're slowly being forced down that route as well, because EU.
FYI, (
https://data.oecd.org/migration/foreign-born-population.htm) Switzerland has one of the highest percentages of migrants in the world. Just sayin'.
Thor on 23/5/2017 at 13:53
Mentioning Switzerland wasn't the most illustrative example. But the takeaway is that Switzerland doesn't let
just anyone in their country, specifically countries, whose cultures (or facets of them, anyway) are opposing on some fundamental levels. In other words, you won't see arabic people all over the place and hence you won't have terrorism all over the place. Tradeoffs.
I don't suppose saying that I have nothing against arabs fundamentally and I am well aware that most of them are reasonably peaceful will convince the minds of those, whose greatest fear is to appear "racist", that I am, in fact, not that. To those people I can only say, that if you or your loved ones die in a terrorism attack - don't tell me you didn't ask for it on some level, because you did when you prioritized the image of being polit-correct (or however you can even call this) over that miniscule chance of being a victim yourself.
