Trance on 28/5/2017 at 00:27
Preach.
caffeinatedzombeh on 30/5/2017 at 13:36
I realise you're reading that through the eyes of someone living in a part of the world where armed police are the norm but what that says is that they sent one PC to deal with whatever it was that was reported and then *everyone* when instead of being vaguely polite, somewhat reasonable and accepting of the fact that their neighbours might not appreciate their choice of music as much as they did they managed to worry that one PC enough that she called for help.
Thinking Robot on 1/6/2017 at 14:57
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
No. You have absolutely ZERO right to moralize to me on this topic. There are multiple times where I have put my life directly on the line to protect Middle Eastern Muslims, most notably when I led a team out of an IED mined area while wounded...
Progressive-minded people have to deal with is that they never had left their shielded environment or - simply named - their safe space. Like most people obviously. Trust me, not only the middle east is fucked up, but also refugee centers and even no-go areas in big cities these days. But how could they understand without leaving their safe room? Become a cop or join the army. See some shit and come back after some years and surely your mind would change. But nonono, instead they would rather attend a diploma in social science.
I really don't want to point with a finger on these guys, I just want to tell theme to life their fucking lifes, but without being arrogant and explaining their moral superiority to others because NO ONE is superior or in right. Immigrants will never intergrate to your weird western "values" because they vast majority just want to life their fucking lives. Accept that. I wouldn't tell others how good and morality superior I am. Because even I only want to life my fucking life. Thanks folks
heywood on 1/6/2017 at 16:17
Not this guy. I was a co-founder of a Teen Age Republicans club in the late 80s and pretty libertarian when I was younger. After getting out of school and into the world, I turned into more of a pragmatist, still with libertarian leanings. Through my 20s, I could not accept the concept of positive liberty, but after moving around and traveling and meeting different kinds of people and having kids I get it. To be a true libertarian in the good sense of the word, i.e. an advocate for liberty, you have to believe in equality of opportunity and freedom from oppression, persecution, and discrimination. Not just laissez-faire.
Western liberal values are all about letting people live their lives as much as they see fit as long as their lifestyle doesn't bring them into conflict with others, and giving them the freedom and opportunity to get the most out of life they can given their abilities and motivations. These days, the political Right seems way more interested in cultural isolationism than traditional Western values. And the center-right "establishment" here that's trying to hang onto control of both parties has a pro-global business/GDP over everything mentality that's been effectively been maximizing liberty for the upper classes and denying liberty to the working classes for the last few decades. So in today's political climate, I guess that makes me a progressive.
I would say that the people who have the worst "us vs. them" mentality are the people who never stepped out of their cultural bubble, and the people who are more worldly in experience are more accepting of other cultures. That's not a left vs. right thing because "us vs. them" thrives in bubbles on both sides.
As for immigration, I live in a country that was settled and founded by immigrants and was built into a great and powerful country by immigrants, most of whom came here because they "want to life their fucking lives".
Starker on 1/6/2017 at 17:19
For me, it took traveling and life experience to see that people elsewhere in the world are just people. This is why I don't fall for conspiracy theories and scaremongering about how brown people and foreigners are the downfall of western civilisation SOON™.
Also, when people show up with "ha ha, take that liberals" in a thread about a tragic terror attack, when I see people posting misleading bullshit like that migrant crime map earlier in the thread, I have every moral right to call them out for that.
nickie on 1/6/2017 at 19:30
I sometimes wonder why we think humans are worth preserving. (
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40118865) Manchester One Love concert: 'Thousands make false ticket claims'
Quote:
More than 10,000 "unscrupulous" people have falsely claimed they were at the scene of the Manchester attack in order to get free tickets for Sunday's benefit concert, Ticketmaster has said.
The agency said "opportunists or touts" had tried to take advantage of its offer for those who were at the Ariana Grande concert at Manchester Arena.
It has said fans at the original show can get into Sunday's event for free.
Some 25,000 people applied - but just 14,200 were at the concert on 22 May.
If it's true, but it would seem par for the course.
Azaran on 2/6/2017 at 06:43
Quote Posted by Thor
Btw, media is a religious force too. The narrative and the "side picked" is already predetermined and everything that follows is only to convince your belief of this side and they're not going to flip their narrative. Not most of the media anyway. It's just a less fairy-tale approach, because that shit simply doesn't fly anymore with the technological revolution.
It's funny how the media manipulates coverage to fit its desired narrative. I saw (
http://www.chakranews.com/bangladesh-hindus-live-fear-ramadan-500-year-old-hindu-temple-attacked-another-hate-crime/5858) this the other day, and it cemented it even more. The most persecuted people in the world, deliberately ignored
As of May 28th, no media outlets or human rights activist groups outside Bangladesh condemned the hate crime attacks on this ancient Hindu temple during Ramadan. However, our team did a quick analysis and any instance globally where a Christian or Muslim minority had their house of worship attacked during a majority group’s religious holiday, then it was made a national debate of growing intolerance. We ask, why don’t Hindu lives matter too? Of the over 180 attacks on Hindu temples in Bangladesh over 12 months, we repeatedly reached out to media houses and journalists at Vice, Toronto Star, NYTimes, Washington Post, CNN, BBC, Al Jazeera, NDTV, Guardian, CBC, Fox News and more. However, the result was that only 1 instance of attacks was covered by New York Times, Fox News and Al Jazeera. Media outlets such as Toronto Star, CNN, Vice, CBC, Washington Post have ignored our requests without reply. However, as a test we did once share that a Mosque was attacked and almost all outlets or journalists from the outlet did show response.And why? I saw people on Facebook claiming that mainstream media receives plenty of Saudi money to manipulate public opinion. After seeing this, I wouldn't put it past them
Gryzemuis on 2/6/2017 at 09:27
Quote Posted by Azaran
However, as a test we did once share that a Mosque was attacked and almost all outlets or journalists from the outlet did show response.
Show us. Show us links, show us any proof that the attacks on Mosques in Bangladesh were widely reported.
I googled: "attack on hindus in bangladesh". -> About 414.000 results
I googled: "attack on mosque in bangladesh". -> About 474.000 results.
First article from my google search indicates that it was ISIL that attacked a Shia Mosque.
Your story is an example how fake news propagates over social media. (I guess forums are also social media. But only for old people). You tell something that is true (there were attacks) and you combine it with a conclusion that someone might have made up.
I suspect that he real reason that attack on Hindus in Bangladesh are not widely reported is very simple. 9 Out of 10 Americans and Canadians have zero clue where Bangladesh is in the world. They don't know anyone there. They are no Americans fighting there. There are only poor people in Bangladesh. They don't care. And thus media don't report about it. There is no story. Now on the other hand, if ISIL ("we know those, they are bad!") does something in Bangladesh, then at least there is one connection with the Americans and Canadians. So there is a story to report.
I've spent quite a bit of time in the US in the past. One thing I noticed was how the US news-programs and newspapers report 99.5% only about the US. And absolutely nothing else. Unless there are Americans there killing non-Americans, they report on that too. But any news without Americans ? Not worth talking about. Compare that to European tv-stations or newspapers and it is closer to 50% (very rough guess).
