SubJeff on 7/5/2010 at 14:54
Quote Posted by witherflower
and ideas of dimensions beyond the three we're accustomed to.
Well I'm used to four, as most of us are, so if it's three for you you're lacking one.
Don't get me wrong - I don't think that current science is the be all and end all of everything and I'm totally open to spiritual/divine stuff. But this is a crock. Even the way they are "testing" it is deeply flawed. If you want to believe then do so but more fool you.
witherflower on 7/5/2010 at 15:49
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
Well I'm used to four, as most of us are, so if it's three for you you're lacking one.
Don't get me wrong - I don't think that current science is the be all and end all of everything and I'm totally open to spiritual/divine stuff. But this is a crock. Even the way they are "testing" it is deeply flawed. If you want to believe then do so but more fool you.
I don't know what to make of time as a dimension as I can't move through it. Every moment is one of growth or decay so every moment can be thought of as the birth of something else than what was previously there. Every object in whatever state it's in is stuck in that single moment, come the next second and that object is no longer what it previously was- it's something different entirely.
And once more: I am not saying this particular case is real, but I do believe that things like that are possible, yes.
Stitch on 7/5/2010 at 16:17
Quote Posted by witherflower
And once more: I am not saying this particular case is real, but I do believe that things like that are possible, yes.
Why? Where is this belief coming from when all evidence and current knowledge points in the opposite direction?
DDL on 7/5/2010 at 17:14
Surely they could just monitor his blood sugar for like..a day or two?
If it stays constant: interesting.
If it rises when he meditates: very interesting (unless he's meditating in a cake factory)
If it fluctuates up and down in a manner consistent with "oh I'm just popping outside for a sec", then fraud.
Admittedly I'm at work so can't watch with sound, but do they mention that at all? Or is it purely 'observation'?
reizak on 7/5/2010 at 17:39
Believing in this isn't really a matter of keeping an open mind and not being arrogant enough as to imagine that our current view of the world is complete, but simply a case of likelihood. Even if we boil down the whole energy requirement thing to its bare essentials and imagine that his mitochondria have somehow acquired the ability to perform oxidative phosphorylation by sucking electrons out of the ether, or form the necessary proton concentration gradient by willpower, that's still just one miracle. It doesn't account for the literally thousands of dead-end metabolic pathways where the substrates can't be regenerated due to very simple and very well understood thermodynamic principles, and thus need to be replaced via nutrition. It's good to keep an open mind for one or two miracles instead of ruling them out de facto, but for this to be real there would have to be a whole mess of miracles all coinciding in one old guy, and how likely is that even if such things were possible?
witherflower on 7/5/2010 at 18:19
Quote Posted by Stitch
Why? Where is this belief coming from when all evidence and current knowledge points in the opposite direction?
Because I can visualize the universe as a whole, not just separate parts- connected by those extra dimensional pieces of the structure that were mentioned earlier. And if that should be the case, then it is not so difficult to imagine that meditation, which is a state of no thought just being, will open the organisms floodgates if you will, which were previoulsy closed by its limited awareness brought forth by thoughts developed in a 3 (or 4) dimensionally inclined mind, and let all kinds of cosmic energy and nutrients flow into it.
This is not a matter of knowledge or evidence, you can't know or prove anything on this scale. Facts and science are fleeting and ever changing, they're based on observations of parts of a whole and works only inside their own finite environment. And I don't think there is a law in existance that does not have its exceptions... I don't believe in departures from a principle it renders them invalid. So, until we a Grand Unified Theory in place that covers every aspect and every variable and works without exceptions on micro and macro levels, I'll take what science has to say about the great unknown with a grain of salt.
SubJeff on 7/5/2010 at 18:27
take less acid
witherflower on 7/5/2010 at 18:36
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
take less acid
I can't. I'm on a constant supply from the mothership. It's beamed down directly to my brain. Can't help it.:cool:
Stitch on 7/5/2010 at 19:07
Quote Posted by witherflower
So, until we a Grand Unified Theory in place that covers every aspect and every variable and works without exceptions on micro and macro levels, I'll take what science has to say about the great unknown with a grain of salt.
The relationship one's body has with nutrients and water doesn't exactly qualify as "the great unknown."
Also: you don't apparently know a goddamn thing about science, which is hardly surprising given your, ahem,
imaginative beliefs.
