zombe on 20/2/2008 at 13:23
Quote Posted by a flower in hell
The other question is, does it matter what we do? We'll eventually leave this planet anyway. It's not big enough to hold us all forever. Unless something drastic happens soon, global warming will likely not become a problem
until after we'd already be spread across the stars anyway.If it were up to me, i would place (or ask some ET do that for us) our solar system under quarantine. Mercilessly destroying anything/anyone (including myself) trying to leave. At least until unnecessary bits (all the "nature" junk. time to evolve past that [not sure what would be left after that tho]) from our dna gets removed.
Rogue Keeper on 20/2/2008 at 13:31
My words.
Actually, they would be allowed to send here a post-modern form of Ark to save as many non-human DNA samples as possible before we wipe it out.
june gloom on 20/2/2008 at 14:00
Guys, think of it this way. The problem with humanity's relationship with the environment isn't that our very existance is harmful to it; it's that we've outgrown our environment yet have noplace to go just yet. Poor foresight on our part, but that's what you get when you evolve enough to invent technology that keeps us alive and comfortable. When we finally figure out a way to get the fuck off this rock, I guarantee you that as the possibilities for expansion become more and more infinite, huge chunks of the Earth population will leave- that and, again, advances in technology, will enable us to maintain a healthy relationship with the environment again.
Rogue Keeper on 20/2/2008 at 14:48
Don't be so focused only on technology. Surely the science and technology has large impact on improvement of our lives, but it also brought numerous environmental and health issues we are talking about. The esence of maintenance of our healthy relation with environment is not in technology, it's somewhere else - in our brains, style of living. Western civilization and urban lifestyle has changed many people so that they feel quite detached from the nature, like if they felt that they're not dependent on this fragile but very complex ecosystem anymore.
And what the hell has everybody with colonization of the stars as the only hope for humanity, you folks are watching utopian space operas too much. I bet we're gonna rot on this piece of rock. And we deserve it - you won't find such beautiful and amazing "piece of rock" like this on every corner of the universe. But we aren't grateful enough for what we've been granted, are we.
"Stars are not for people." A.C. Clarke, Childhood's End
Matthew on 20/2/2008 at 14:53
"Earth is the cradle of civilization, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever."
What is it with arguably subjective quotes being used so much in CommChat this weather?
june gloom on 20/2/2008 at 14:53
Well, I'm saying that we have the capability of reconciling technology with the environment. It used to be that as technology grew, we just went willy-nilly with the smokestacks and the deforestation and the stomping on owls and whathaveyou; but now that the environment is always in our thoughts, we should use our brains to ensure that future technological advances are environmentally friendly.
Koki on 20/2/2008 at 15:06
Or we could geoengineer our asses out of it.
Rogue Keeper on 20/2/2008 at 15:26
Quote Posted by Matthew
"Earth is the cradle of civilization, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever."
"A man can dream... but The Many can ACCOMPLISH." ~W. B. Diego. :cool:
Matthew on 20/2/2008 at 15:52
Nice try.
zombe on 21/2/2008 at 10:22
Quote Posted by dethtoll
Guys, think of it this way. The problem with humanity's relationship with the environment isn't that our
very existance is harmful to it; it's that we've
outgrown our environment yet have noplace to go just yet. Poor foresight on our part, but that's what you get when you evolve enough to invent technology that keeps us alive and comfortable. When we finally figure out a way to get the fuck off this rock, I guarantee you that as the possibilities for expansion become more and more infinite, huge chunks of the Earth population will leave- that and, again, advances in technology, will enable us to maintain a healthy relationship with the environment again.
well...
The problems caused by consuming all the space on petri dish is not solved by taking a bigger petri dish nor with better or fancier nutrients.
or ...
Out footprint on the planet should be lessened by making our foots smaller instead of acquiring more land to stand on.
in other words: in current state we will make every corner we ever go to as miserable as we can (balanced by how fucked-up living standards we can bear) - which would be fine ... if we would be the only ones that suffer from it. Expansion and technologies only widen the area of impact and postpone the inevitable - seeing any sort of salvation there is silly, it solves nothing.
