demagogue on 2/7/2025 at 14:01
I appreciate this guy's post demonstrating how far we've come in such a short period.
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https://i.ibb.co/dsZzg35w/Screenshot-2025-07-02-085044.pngTo answer his question, I think it's safe to say by 2028 AI imagery should be much harder to distinguish from real scenes.
It can already be hard now, especially if it's things like landscapes and urban scenes without people, but you can still usually tell if humans or detailed objects are involved. Our sense that something is AI-looking, or the sense of the people following it at least, has also heightened in sensitivity. Whereas I think the unvarnished masses already can't tell or don't bother with telling. But by 2028, it's just going to be everywhere and who's going to trust any real image is real anymore?
And we thought we had crisis of "everything real is fake news" now...
demagogue on 2/7/2025 at 14:01
I appreciate this guy's post demonstrating how far we've come in such a short period.
Inline Image:
https://i.ibb.co/dsZzg35w/Screenshot-2025-07-02-085044.pngTo answer his question, I think it's safe to say by 2028 AI imagery should be much harder to distinguish from real scenes.
It can already be hard now, especially if it's things like landscapes and urban scenes without people, but you can still usually tell if humans or detailed objects are involved. Our sense that something is AI-looking, or the sense of the people following it at least, has also heightened in sensitivity. Whereas I think the unvarnished masses already can't tell or don't bother with telling. But by 2028, it's just going to be everywhere and who's going to trust any real image is real anymore?
And we thought we had crisis of "everything real is fake news" now...
Azaran on 2/7/2025 at 16:18
Barring a few bugs here and there, AI is now smarter than humans, so I'd say that's a reasonable timeline for AI to replicate even the finest detail seamlessly. By then even video, which is already mind blowing, will also be seamless
heywood on 2/7/2025 at 17:00
For the sake of authenticity, images should be digitally signed. Image renderers should display the image only if its signature(s) are valid and the file hasn't been altered since it was last signed. If the file has an invalid signature or if it has been modified without a signature, an error message should be shown instead. Cameras should sign image or video files when photos or videos are taken. AI and other software tools used to create or modify images and video should add their signature to the files they write as well. Browsers and photo gallery software could show you the change history with whatever metadata is recorded with the signatures.
Another cryptographic means of documenting authenticity and provenance is to use a blockchain to record all the changes to a file. That's a more heavyweight solution though because the records are distributed.
Azaran on 3/7/2025 at 14:01
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https://i.postimg.cc/HngJw202/03dbff87-8e5a-4394-892e-1093bdef8eea.pngInline Image:
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https://i.postimg.cc/0QpjySgJ/68754576658768.pngQuote Posted by heywood
For the sake of authenticity, images should be digitally signed. Image renderers should display the image only if its signature(s) are valid and the file hasn't been altered since it was last signed. If the file has an invalid signature or if it has been modified without a signature, an error message should be shown instead. Cameras should sign image or video files when photos or videos are taken. AI and other software tools used to create or modify images and video should add their signature to the files they write as well. Browsers and photo gallery software could show you the change history with whatever metadata is recorded with the signatures.
Another cryptographic means of documenting authenticity and provenance is to use a blockchain to record all the changes to a file. That's a more heavyweight solution though because the records are distributed.
That will still be tough, when pictures are shared on social media they lose their metadata, so by default we'd have to beware of any non-original photo.
The ramifications for legal evidence should be interesting
