Uncia on 17/2/2006 at 22:40
No, you just like to conveniently change the goalposts whenever it suits you. Let's see what you were quoting me on, shall we? For context.
Quote Posted by jay pettitt
I don't buy into the myth that ... security is a happy by-product either in whole, or in significant part of it being a minority desktop OS.
Quote Posted by Uncia
He never states that...
Okay. With me so far?
Quote Posted by Bill Thompson
Mac OS is certainly a lot better than Windows, but being better isn't nearly enough.
Mac OS may not have the gaping holes that let viruses spread, but worms, spyware and even keyloggers are out there.
One reason why there aren't many malicious Mac programs is that there are fewer Mac users out there, but the fact that some have been written shows that they are possible in principle.
Okay. So, in your opinion, this constitutes that "
(*NIX) security is a happy by-product either in whole, or in significant part of it being a minority desktop OS"?
:weird:
Fig455 on 18/2/2006 at 00:27
Quote Posted by jay pettitt
I can still pass virusi on to windows users
Virusi? :rolleyes: Try this one please (
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Viruses) http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Viruses
kthxby
Vernon on 18/2/2006 at 00:50
Quote Posted by Strontium Dog
What's with the two extraneous words in the thread title?
I was wondering exactly the same thing.
jay pettitt on 18/2/2006 at 01:00
Umm, yep. That is what it says. If Bill didn't want to imply that minority status was a significant factor in OSX's security he wouldn't have mentioned it. The clear implication is that Mac Users are being complacent by believing that their computers are inherently secure, while Bill Thompson's truth is simply that they are too insignificant a group to attract attention. I think he's wrong. I don't think OSX achieves security through evading attention by being smoll. I think that attitude discredits 'nix, ignores real life and perhaps most significantly displays a defeatist and complacent attitude towards Windows that says that a disproportionate number of security headaches are part and parcel of being a popular desktop OS.
Mac bashing is no more a security policy than windows bashing.
Err, change the goal posts how? I've been consistant in stating that I don't buy into the notion that Unix systems (including OSX) achieve their security by way of being obscure. 'Nix is, after all, an abundant server OS. Rather Unix systems achieve their security by design and encouraging the user to adopt behaviours that reinforce security. I said that in post 1 and every other post since.
Sorry Bill, but by choosing OSX, the average Mac user is likely to be doing more to secure their 'puter than their average Windows counterpart.
I also seem to remember saying:
Quote Posted by Me
Complacency and Windows bashing is obviously not a good security policy
...and advocating firewalls, regular updates and using anti-virus software out of consideration for my windowsy neighbours, even though viriis pose little or no threat to myself. Which agrees with other bits of the article being discussed that I agree with.
What is your point?
Did Bill say that stuff? Yes.
Did he say other stuff with different context? Yes. But then, so did I. Meh.
I don't think common = insecure therefore obscure = secure, I certainly don't think it applies to Unix. I think secure is something you make. Whatever, I'm done.
Jenesis on 18/2/2006 at 01:09
Quote Posted by jay pettitt
viriis
Hehee, now you're just taking the mick :cheeky:
Agent Monkeysee on 18/2/2006 at 01:53
WHO CARES YOU NERDS
Uncia on 18/2/2006 at 03:50
Quote Posted by jay pettitt
--mindreading--
That's nice dear.
[edit] <A HREF="http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/17/technology/apple_virus.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes">Dun dun duuuuun...</A>
thefonz on 18/2/2006 at 09:12
OSX = for children
Windows OS = for adults
stirs the pot...
jay pettitt on 18/2/2006 at 10:39
Sorry, maybe I'm tetchy because you've been pointlessly squabbling over semantics for the last page, but was 'dun dun dunnn' a sort of triumphalist - huzzah, Macs have viruses too, I'm right I'm right ner ner ner?
Only if so:
a) you're rather late. I referred to the leap-A thingy in the very first sentence of my very first post. Do keep up.
b) we're arguing on entirely different planes of thought and should stop.
If not, please ignore.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jay pettitt
--mindreading--
What? The entire culture of Unix, from it's heritage as a multi user/network savvy OS, it's development, architecture, administration, the speed which security fixes can be openly developed and distributed etc etc etc etc etc etc culminate to make remote attacks mostly pointless. Mindreading doesn't come into it.
What's that you say fonz, Unix is for children? Ummm, ok.
Uncia on 18/2/2006 at 11:18
If there was a reading-between-the-lines award you'd be an Olympic champion.
