Shug on 15/10/2006 at 05:16
Quote Posted by DinkyDogg
Sayid is beginning to annoy me as well. He has some kind of ESP that tells him what's going on all the time. He noticed footprints on the dock and could tell that they were fresh and that the rest of the crew had been captured? His technical expertise was kind of cool in the first few episodes where they tried to get the tranciever working, but after that he kind of got tiring.
How does it require ESP to notice fresh footprints? The point of the exercise is that he, as a trained soldier and previous torture (among other things) enthusiast, is more aware of his surroundings than a couple of city slickers. I fail to see how this is so unbelievable. The fact the squadron of Others slipped past is more than enough proof of that. If you think his deadpan speaking about killing people is over the top, you should probably realize by now you are following the wrong tv program.
GBM: given that it's not uncommon for Japanese students to commit suicide if they don't make it into the tertiary education institution of their choice, I don't find it so bizarre that he would have jumped of his own accord. It's a fairly different culture.
Gingerbread Man on 15/10/2006 at 05:35
There's a massive difference between Korean and Japanese culture. But that isn't the point. The point is that you know exactly how the writers work. :(
belboz on 15/10/2006 at 05:58
The other's are turning into the survivors of Lord of the Flies, where the other's are the kids grown up, but still kids, like henry/ben wanted the sail boat as thou it was some toy to own. Which is probably why they took the kids, they are kids and the kids would be better off with other kids.
The antic in the undersea bunker, was more like kids than adults in the tunnel when jack was going to open the door to let the water in, save your own skin first not bother with anyone else.
When the dharma institute originally went to the island they must have gone as families, something killed off most of the adults, which left a few adults left and all the kids, the kids took over. If the adults were still in charge, the animals that were originally in the cages would still be in the cages, if kids were in charge they would have let them go. Obviously all the scientific dharma research stations are no longer used, and most have been emptied. So the Dharma institute only exists in name.
Maybe what has been curing the survivors from the plane crash, is also preventing the other's from leaving the island.
Spamlet on 15/10/2006 at 07:16
I gotta agree that Sayid acted oddly,
Leaving Sun all alone on the boat would have been the trap had he been in normal mode.
So I know I'm in the minority on this especially based on the earlier thread but my two copper pieces:
Linear plot has always been the least interesting aspect of story for me. If it hadn't been for the flashbacks I never would've gotten into this show. Take them all out and it would be your standard action flick. That's the greatest advantage episodic television has over film: deep development over time creates complexity of character and relationship which adds endless layers of meaning.
That simply can't happen without knowing where someone's been so there has to be an established device for telling it. On "Sopranos" Tony has his psychiatrist, on "Deadwood" Al has his whores, on "Resuce Me" Tommy has his ghosts, on "Six Feet Under" you have the cadaver's tale (slightly altered by "Nip/Tuck" to the weekly patient).
Each show has a grand theme which all the main characters reflect: "Sopranos" asks "how much are tough guys allowed to feel?". "Deadwood" asks "what must we do in order to survive in a lawless society?". "Rescue Me" asks "Who can save a hero from destroying himself?". "Six Feet Under" asks "How can we actually live every day of our life to its fullest?". "Nip/Tuck" asks "Can we overcome the temptations of instant, yet empty, gratification rather than taking the time and energy to truly fill the void?" I think we all know the big question "Lost" asks.
The flashbacks really are a godsend when you imagine the awkwardness of getting all of that across in conversational dialogue. Besides which, the majority of their content is secret. Why volunteer it? They also give us the much needed change of scenery and let us know what the world outside was (so we can understand what's at stake and why) for each person.
Conversely, it also gives you the feeling of almost being there on the island since you learn only a little bit about each survivor's past at a time. The bottom line for me is that the idea of questions that beget more questions is far more interesting than being given the answers.
Shug on 16/10/2006 at 01:42
Quote Posted by Spamlet
I think we all know the big question "Lost" asks.
"WHAT IF EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG"
Quote Posted by Gingerbread Man
There's a massive difference between Korean and Japanese culture.
I don't need a Chinese man to tell me that :mad:
Low Moral Fiber on 19/10/2006 at 02:03
Oh man I really thought Locke [SPOILER]was going to be a cop killer[/SPOILER]
But seriously the biggest spoiler yet
[SPOILER]This was a fucking TERRIBLE episode of Lost.[/SPOILER]
Shug on 19/10/2006 at 08:00
It has been a fairly uninspiring season so far, indeed
Fafhrd on 19/10/2006 at 09:33
I felt like this episode was a step back to what made Season 1 so interesting. Re-establishing the Island as an entity in and of itself, and getting Locke his mojo back. The only real problem with the episode was the clumsy attempt to establish two new people in the beach camp as named, potentially major, characters.
Dia on 19/10/2006 at 15:16
I was just surprised that [SPOILER]Mr. Eko was still alive. Even though the bears had just made a fresh kill, they're not the most gentle of creatures and I can't believe they didn't kill him while dragging him to their lair. But then again, I suppose rescuing Mr.E. and hearing his message gave Locke his new Mission In Life. *yawn*[/SPOILER]
Locke's [SPOILER]dream sequence was pretty lame, even if it featured Boone (handsome devil!). Do we know for a fact that Locke didn't kill the young cop or did I miss something?[/SPOILER]
So now Desmond's not only [SPOILER]had his clothes blown off by the implosion, but he's become psychic as well? [/SPOILER]Who fuckin' cares!! This series is starting to become rather formulaic.
I just want to know why [SPOILER]Ben is torturing our three heroes. wtf. [/SPOILER] It does sound like, for the next few episodes at least, it will be [SPOILER]'Locke to the rescue'.[/SPOILER] Wonder how Super-Sayid will feel about that.
Once again; more questions than answers. I still find myself compelled to watch each new episode - almost against my will. And better judgement.
I find myself looking forward to January next year when Jack comes back. 24.
Gingerbread Man on 19/10/2006 at 15:28
I thought this one was great. Visions, mystery, action, flashbacks that actually had a vague link to the present-day situation, and no GQ moments.
But I'm starting to think that the writers have identified the utterly disparate interests in two key target demographics. I just hope the show doesn't deteriorate into alternating episodes of Angst / Romance vs Action / Mystery.
Plus it is clear that Desmond got himself briefly hurled into The Future... a future where clothes are passé and the main form of entertainment is Throwing Knives at Fat Guys.
Basically, I echo Fafhrd's comments. Especially the bit about the ridiculously clumsy introduction of two new characters I likely won't give a shit about.
And wasn't that undercover cop the same guy who played Tom Cruise's dong of a son in that hideously stupid War of the Worlds directed by the previously-talented Steven Spielberg?
