Glimpse on 23/8/2009 at 12:02
Quote Posted by jay pettitt
My experience of Wine is that it's a hit when it hits, but a miss when it doesn't - I use it for T2 fan missions quite happily - but yeah, it's still a fair way from being home away from home for windows users - some stuff works really well, some stuff doesn't.
Could you tell me what version of wine you're using to run darkloader? I've been trying for an age to get it to run predictably. Thief Gold and Thief 2 run well, but I'd love to get darkloader working right.
Oh, and for the install of Ubuntu beside Vista, does Ubuntu not have that wubi (think that's what it's called) thing going where you can install it to try it out inside Vista or XP, and then just remove it from add/remove programs when you're done. I've never tried it though. May well not work.
jay pettitt on 23/8/2009 at 13:18
GarrettLoader has a load of .net dependencies, you need to be keen to get it to work. So (
http://www.bjoernhenke.de/frame.htm?/darkloader/index.en.htm) Darkloader is your friend. I'm on Wine 1.0.1 - Darkloader installed and runs without any trouble for me. I've a dual core processor, so I just use Darkloader to install the mission ready for use, then I launch T2 separately using
taskset -c 1 env WINEPREFIX="/home/jay/.wine" wine "C:\Program Files\Thief2\THIEF2.EXE"Glimpse on 23/8/2009 at 14:25
Many Thanks :)
Can't remember if I've tried 1.0.1. I've tried a lot. I'm running 1.1.26 right now, but will give your version a try tonight. Incidentally, have you had any luck with T2X? That's another of my failures ;) Not tried it in a while, can only vaguely remember getting an odd error message with it.
Griffin Bain on 24/8/2009 at 15:52
What does 'swap' mean? I don't think I ever had to mess with that because I have 2 harddrives.
Is that just the portion of the harddrive that you can't access because its like the OS backup? Would this 'swap' stuff also have something to do with unix having a crappy hibernation system for so many people?
Glimpse on 24/8/2009 at 17:27
Swap is the linux equivalent of the windows page file. The main difference is that linux keeps swap on a separate partition, whilst windows keeps its page file on the same partition as the OS.
I remember reading bits and pieces about page files and swap files and virtual memory, but getting a bit of contradictory information. Some say virtual memory, or the page file, is used when your system is low on ram, others don't (but I can't remember what they do say...). It's more complicated than it first appears.
Please note the above may be complete bollocks. You'd need to ask an expert :)
From what I've read (and I think Jay Pettitt mentioned this earlier in the thread) the contents of ram are dumped into swap in hibernation mode.
David on 24/8/2009 at 19:24
On Windows generally the swap file is used more than Linux or OSX as it likes to move data in the RAM that has not been used in a while to it to keep... I dunno.. the RAM fresh, or something.
OSX and Linux tend to have much smaller swap file sizes as it is generally only used when the RAM is getting low. You can get a decent idea of how busy your swap file is if you have a memory utility that reports Page Outs (each 'page' is a block of data being written to the hard drive. In OSX the pages are 4KB by default). I can't recall if the Vista/7 Task Manager reports this or not.
My OSX machine has 4GB RAM, currently has 2.25GB free, has a swap file of 64MB (the smallest it can be) and has had 0 pages outs since it was started up.
I believe the contents of the RAM is not dumped into the swap file upon hibernation in Windows, it is dumped into a file called hiberfil.sys
raevol on 24/8/2009 at 21:06
You can actually change the "swappiness" of your system so that your swap file gets used more. Supposedly this is good because then things that are getting accessed a lot have a lot of RAM to play with, which is much faster (the RAM is, not necessarily setting your system that way, that I don't know).
I've never bothered with this. The swap file on my 4GB RAM desktop never gets used, and on my netbook I don't have one. No suspend to disk for me, but I never would use it anyway.
CCCToad on 24/8/2009 at 21:29
Ok, I found vista's partition management tool, but it tells me my "shrink size", is only 211 mb.
Any ideas how to shrink 10gigs or so off that 56 I have free?
jay pettitt on 24/8/2009 at 22:20
Defrag, get Ubuntu to do it for you.
Renzatic on 25/8/2009 at 05:24
Okay, I bit the bullet. Installed Virtualbox, Ubuntu Jaunty Jiggaholic or whatever, and added all the Vbox Linux additions. Even though I don't have a driving need to use the thing as my primary OS, I figured it'd be a good idea to learn it anyway. So here I am, writing this post from inside of Linux as we speak. I'm so neat.
Now I can understand that I've got alot to learn here. I've only ever dabbled with Linux in short jots, and I know how to google up stuff if I need to get deep in the system to change settings. But still, I'm finding some rather simple things a bit difficult to do. Like installing/uninstalling crap. Does it have to be so needlessly complicated? Is there an easier way to do things besides going to the terminal and going all sudo app-get blarrrrgh? Hell, Windows is just a click away, and I'm already missing the install/uninstall manager and .exe files.
All I want to install kickass themes of awesome cars going real fucking fast and watch porn in Linux on OSS video players, but I could use some help on how to do all this as easily as possible. Got any suggestions?
