DrK on 15/3/2013 at 19:44
Quote Posted by R Soul
* Don't make too many things hard coded. If the new game doesn't go down well with existing Thief fans, we will have the chance to mod the game to our liking.
* Include a level editor. I think T3 would have had more FMs if it had been easier to tweak things. See the previous point.
^ This !
june gloom on 15/3/2013 at 19:56
Quote Posted by Vae
There is no chance of rescue here...and I can tell you that after being extremely dedicated on the front lines for several years (as was jtr7). They won't listen. They had their chance and royally blew it...even with the most sensible, well supported ideas for THIEF...It's a terrible shame, and I say this as one who is naturally good-spirited and optimistic.
They're not going to listen because, as I originally pointed out, (
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126564&p=2171249&viewfull=1#post2171249) Thiefgen is crazy and hostile. You guys might've had a chance to tell the devs how you felt. But you wasted all that energy acting creepy and cultlike.
skacky on 15/3/2013 at 20:13
Quote Posted by thiefinthedark
* Large, open, completely non-linear level design encouraging exploration and experimentation.
* Advanced sound propagation design directly tied into AI.
* Non-binary stealth system. Stealth
MUST utilize a gradient light and shadow implementation. Hiding behind crates unacceptable.
* Complex AI.
* Heavy lack of overt storytelling. World and narrative should be conveyed organically via in-mission assets such as books and overheard conversations.
I was about to write a reply but then I saw you listed pretty much everything I can think of. Also:
* Make it possible to deactivate all the console hand holding stuff.
* Make these console hand holding stuff not required to complete anything in the game. I don't want to have to use Focus to grab more loot or find otherwise secret areas only accessible through Focus. Everyone should have equal chances to experience the whole game regardless of how they play.
* Make Expert a true challenge like the old days.
thiefinthedark on 15/3/2013 at 21:00
Quote Posted by skacky
I was about to write a reply but then I saw you listed pretty much everything I can think of. Also:
* Make it possible to deactivate all the console hand holding stuff.
* Make these console hand holding stuff not required to complete anything in the game. I don't want to have to use Focus to grab more loot or find otherwise secret areas only accessible through Focus. Everyone should have equal chances to experience the whole game regardless of how they play.
* Make Expert a true challenge like the old days.
Two more things I would add:
* Mission intros should be focused on the job at hand. They are not about telling a story, they are about laying out the prize you are after and possible ways to get to it, with some fluff about the place you are breaking into which fleshes out the world. Save the overt story for the couple of CG scenes spread throughout the game, ala TDP and Metal Age.
* The ability to buy tips from informants that lead to possible secret routes.
Starker on 15/3/2013 at 21:21
TDM lockpicking.
thiefessa on 15/3/2013 at 22:41
Quote Posted by Vae
There is no chance of rescue here...They won't listen. .
They listened... that's why the launched the forum early, of course.
They're still listening now.
As with DX:HR they have/will take our thoughts and suggestions on board and go from there.
retractingblinds on 15/3/2013 at 23:14
Quote Posted by Springheel
I haven't played Dishonored yet...do they throw rocks when you're out of reach? Were some of the devs playing TDM?
When they know where you are or are aware of your last position and it's too high up for them to get to you, they toss rocks at you. getting hit does damage and knocks you around a little/stuns you for a half second.
King No One on 22/3/2013 at 13:08
Most of the above posts (at least those on topic and not mired in defeatist fatalism) I agree with and second.
My own
Take Garretts veil away, no one could say he looks like a ninja/assassin then (Faceless characters are only good for a certain kind of immersion. We don't want to play ourselves in the world of Thief, we want to play Garrett...who may or may not act like we would in the world of Thief...
Thieving in three dimensions; bodies of water to swim around in, sewers/caves to explore, rooftops and multistory buildings to scale/pass through.
Petike the Taffer on 22/3/2013 at 15:47
Quote Posted by Briareos H
* All the innovations the previous games brought
* Something fundamentally new in first-person action games
* Level editor
Quote Posted by King No One
Take Garretts veil away
I agree with these. Though hopes for a LE are probably pretty slim.
Twist on 22/3/2013 at 20:00
Quote Posted by Vivian
THE OPTION TO TURN OFF THE INEVITABLE THIRD-PERSON BITS (this is VERY IMPORTANT)
This one's pretty important to me. Besides any stuffy, self-important arguments about respecting the principles of immersion established by Looking Glass and Doug Church blah blah blah, I personally just can't do the third-person stuff.
I couldn't finish DX:HR because of it and there are a ton of games I otherwise find interesting but can't get myself to play for more than 30 minutes because of it.
It's not any great philosophical thing or any game design pretension: playing a 3D game from the third-person perspective just irritates me like fingernails on a blackboard. I really wish it didn't, but it does. I can play isometric, top-down, side-scrolling and first-person...
But force me to navigate a game world as if I'm trying to operate my computer with someone else in front of me and I just can't do it. :sweat:
Edit: If the new Thief, as a new game in my all time favorite gaming franchise, forces third-person rope climbing or anything of that nature, it will break my heart. :(
