demagogue on 26/4/2013 at 13:01
I liked the original cut scene style a lot, but I liked DX:HR in-game type of cut scenes too.
One thing is, it sounds like the game wants to be seamless, with an open hub world leading to the mission levels without cuts... So I predict cut scenes might be like DX:HR.
Silverwolf on 26/4/2013 at 14:05
The forums have never seemed to matter to EM. As just one example: on the DX:HR forums, fans hated the glowing outline on everything you could interact with. A poll was made and the number of fans voting against having it was somewhere around 98.2 - 98.8 percent. To EM that didn't matter. They were keeping it. I (and others) told EM they better check other gaming sites. Wherever the glow was mentioned a high percentage of posters hated the glow. Many said if it wasn't a toggle, then no sale. Then and only then did EM decide ti make it a toggle.
In Hitman 2 (I don't have the first one), a player could have Hitman wear a disguise and it was possible to go through most of a level without firing a shot. They advertised that you could "hide in plain sight". But when the game came out, the disguise only worked for 2 seconds. No joke. In a patch the time was increased to 5 seconds. Using a disguise was still pretty much useless. It didn't matter how many people didn't like the very short time.
EM seems to care little for what the fans think, and it will show in this game when it comes out.
Dia on 26/4/2013 at 14:14
I agree, dema; I loved the cutscenes in TDP and TMA. Especially those that entertained while you were getting your objectives and weren't distracting from Garrett's voice with gratuitory animation. Though the cutscenes in DX:HR were well done and interesting (for the most part), it was the take-down scenes that got on my nerves after awhile. As much as I loved HR, I really don't like or appreciate having the controls wrested from me by animators who want to show how clever they are. Pretty much ruins any immersion I may have been enjoying at that moment. That and sudden switches from 1st to 3rd person.
And I have to agree with jtr; it does seem as though that in reference to the occasions where EM had acknowledged our preferences and said initially, 'Yeah, it's gonna be like that', they've since then turned around and pretty much said, 'Uhmmm - yeah, no. Changed our minds and think it will be better this way'. I really, really wish they'd release that gameplay video asap. I think that will be a pretty good indicator as to whether or not they really got what Thief was all about, or if they really didn't and are just making a game that caters to everyone else out there, throwing 'Thief' in the title and naming their protagonist 'Garrett' as nothing more than lip-service to Thief fans. Time will tell.
Weasel on 26/4/2013 at 15:06
I don't think the relationship analogy is a good one at all, but I couldn't resist the temptation to tweak it to fit the situation better. I apologize in advance.
EM isn't a guy, the game is. EM is the big bioengineering firm that's trying to genetically engineer a new guy, not only for all of us but also for as many other women as they can attract. Our gaggle has very particular tastes. We like a sensitive guy with curly hair.
Several years ago, EM decided to announce the new guy they're working to create by showing us a picture of a jacket that he may or may not wear. It's similar to jackets we're familiar with, but they added a big fur collar, because those were "in." We complained, because the kind of guy we like wouldn't even wear fur (fur is murder). We gave them photos of jackets without fur and said "use these to represent the guy instead!" They weren't thinking about the jacket any more, they were busy working on the guy, and didn't use the new photos. They left the old eye-sore photo in place.
Meanwhile, behind the scenes, they were experimenting with new features. They tried making the guy have huge, bulging muscles and a musky odor, because those are things that a lot of women like. We suspected they would be doing those things, and we tried to make it clear that we don't go for the meat-head type. Jtr7 explained that he's actually allergic to musky odors. There was one thing that we liked: EM had a hair-specialist who was working to create curly hair for this guy and they showed us some samples.
EM eventually decided this guy wasn't going down the right path, and they got rid of their lead guy-designer. They scrapped a lot of what they had up to that point. Unfortunately, the guy who was creating the curly hair left too, but we don't know why. They went silent for a long time, working on a new guy. That eye-sore jacket photo was still there, but they didn't want to replace it until they had a new jacket designed, one that fit the new version of the guy they were working on.
Meanwhile, our current boyfriend came to show us that he had a brand new wardrobe, which was good because his old clothes were getting kind of worn out. He also had been seeing a therapist, and was working to eliminate some of the minor personality traits that we find annoying. We were happy, but we reminded him that we're in an open relationship, and were still looking forward to having this new guy in our life.
Finally, EM was ready to reveal the new guy. They gave him a completely different kind of jacket. Some of us like it just fine, even if it's not what we're used to. We've only seen the guy with short, straight hair, and we don't know if it's curly or straight when it gets longer. The bulging muscles are mostly gone, but the guy does have the ability to lift heavy things and open jar lids (because the people at EM are trying to make a guy that they would want to date, still), and sometimes smells musky when he does those things. We don't know if we'll be able to avoid the lifting and jar-opening, but we plead for them to at least stop the musky smell. We don't know if they'll find a way to get rid of it or not, or if they even care. Most of us say we don't care about him being able to lift things or open jars. Some of us think it might be nice, but still want him to do it without the odor.
EM recently promised to give us more details about this guy, but they haven't yet. Some of us hope it's because they're working on a way to eliminate the odor first, or to tweak some of the other things we don't like, but none of us know for sure.
thiefessa on 26/4/2013 at 15:19
Quote Posted by demagogue
I liked the original cut scene style a lot, but I liked DX:HR in-game type of cut scenes too.
One thing is, it sounds like the game wants to be seamless, with an open hub world leading to the mission levels without cuts... So I predict cut scenes might be like DX:HR.
Yeah, you could be right about the seamless, open hub elements and I agree this worked good in DXHR.
Hope we see Thief in action soon via some gameplay footage.
Dia on 26/4/2013 at 15:19
No apologies necessary, Weasel. That was great.
:laff:
Weasel on 26/4/2013 at 15:46
Quote Posted by Dia
No apologies necessary, Weasel. That was great.
:laff:
Thanks! One of my pet peeves is the use of bad analogies in arguments.
Ok, I couldn't resist coming up with another one, if you prefer that EM is the guy in the analogy...
EM is restoring an old MG convertible to take to car shows, and you're hanging around because you really want to drive it. He showed you a potential vanity license plate long ago that he may or may not have been planning to get for it. You didn't like the vanity plate because it used lame leet-speak, and you told him as much. You keep coming around hoping to get a glimpse of the car, but he keeps it locked up in his garage.
You know a thing or two about cars, because you've driven "around the block" many times, so you're hoping he'll find you to be a valuable "asset." Most of the time, he doesn't seem to be noticing your advances. He has a lot of other women in his life, after all. He hasn't ever hit you or anything like that, he's just a bit distant.
He told you some details about the car recently, and showed you a new vanity plate that doesn't use leet-speak. You worry that he's painting the car an ugly color. You know he took out the vintage radio to put in a new one that has an mp3 player but won't play your rare 8-tracks. You suspect that he might be putting in an automatic transmission. When he's done with it, you might not even want to drive this car. Even so, you continue to hang around, wearing an old racing jumpsuit that's unzipped just enough to tantalize, hoping he'll notice you and take your advice. He promises that the car will be awesome, that he'll let you see it soon, and that he'll definitely let you drive it as often as you want when it's ready.
Dia on 26/4/2013 at 18:17
... and on top of that, I now suspect he's even added a driver's-side ejection seat, cool car hydraulics lifts for the wheels, and strobing neon undercarriage lights. I'm also wondering why he's been hanging out with these vapid little teenyboppers whose main concern is on which side of their mouths they should chew their gum, when he seemed to be such an intelligent guy before this. I'm two seconds from zipping my jumpsuit back up and going home.
;)
Weasel on 26/4/2013 at 18:48
Quote Posted by Dia
... and on top of that, I now suspect he's even added a driver's-side ejection seat, cool car hydraulics lifts for the wheels, and strobing neon undercarriage lights. I'm also wondering why he's been hanging out with these vapid little teenyboppers whose main concern is on which side of their mouths they should chew their gum, when he seemed to be such an intelligent guy before this. I'm two seconds from zipping my jumpsuit back up and going home.
;)
Hopefully the neon lights will have an off-switch, the controls for the ejection seat and hydraulics don't get in the way of anything else, and the car will be a big hit at the car shows, where some of the new attendees will wander over during a quiet moment when those flashy features aren't in use and appreciate the car for the same reasons we like the originals.
Then hopefully the guy will keep us around, give us the keys to the garage, and let us tinker with the car while he's using his new-found wealth to work on another one, with all of the features--new and old--more refined.
Or maybe he'll kick us out and tell us to find someone else's car to drive.
Edit: Or if the latest news is to believed, it turns out the guy has been building a car out of cardboard boxes all this time.
pavlovscat on 27/4/2013 at 03:59
Quote Posted by Weasel
Edit: Or if the latest news is to believed, it turns out the guy has been building a car out of cardboard boxes all this time.
Wicked, wicked sense of humor. I love it. If I wasn't already married, I'd ask you for a date!
