Vae on 26/4/2013 at 08:12
Quote Posted by thiefessa
So, because the design wasn't to one's liking, its a slap in the face?
Because some people vote against it in a forum poll, it means the vast majority of the fan base really hate it and want it changed?
Because EM chose not to change it, EM don't care?
Blah blah...
It's disturbing to see how oblivious you really are...either that, or your purposeful obfuscation tactics are quite repulsive.
thiefessa on 26/4/2013 at 08:14
Just continue debate and answer the questions. Keep your personal nonsense to yourself please.
jtr7 on 26/4/2013 at 08:20
It's the last half of 2009 all over again. And every month of 2010, and 2011, and...
It's not black and white, and never was. It's not all or nothing. The logo was a bad omen and it's come to fruition. There are bad elements that do break a game completely for individuals and who have no say in the matter, it's not their choice, and there are bad elements that have no effect on the game itself, but some other component, like story, character, immersion, player feedback. Unfortunately, EM's stacking up the bad elements in each category, and they are expecting us to think these things are cool. I'm waiting for more cool things I can agree are cool and wondering why they are coy with even Thief basics. Why keep anything common in all the titles a secret?
Starker on 26/4/2013 at 08:23
The slap is just a metaphor, thiefessa. Let's imagine you are starting a relationship with a guy, and he seems like a nice guy, but one day he starts slapping you. Not so hard that it hurts and not constantly, maybe just once or twice a day or so. Understandably, some women might be a bit upset about that, while others may just write it off as an odd behaviour, while some may even like it, but for argument's sake, let's say you get angry about it and say, "What the hell, dude!" He then tells you that it's only temporary, and his friend Victoria agrees with him and says that you are really very silly for getting upset over such a thing. The slapping continues for four years all the time while you're hearing what a good relationship you are going to have.
Now would you say that it's a good start for a relationship?
Oh, and...
the girl -- a portion of the fans
the guy -- EM
relationship -- Thief game
slapping -- Thi4f logo
Victoria -- Victoria
thiefessa on 26/4/2013 at 08:51
Quote Posted by jtr7
It's the last half of 2009 all over again. And every month of 2010, and 2011, and...
Indeed. That's why I say there is still bitterness and anger from some... over a placeholder. :joke:
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There are bad elements that do break a game completely for individuals and who have no say in the matter, it's not their choice,
Indeed, but a placeholder wouldn't break a game for me.
If you want to have a say in any game, then you study and join the dev team as a professional and be part of the decision-making process. Otherwise, you do what we do as fans and that is to share opinions on forums. Sharing our suggestions/opinions can be helpful to the devs (and us) but it is still their decision as to which suggestions they use, or not. Right? I'm not personally saying at this point all EM's decisions will be the right ones - I won't know that until I've seen and heard more; or I've played the game.
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Unfortunately, EM's stacking up the bad elements in each category...
I can't see EM stacking up bad elements in each category - there is nothing that worries me, so far. Of course, we are all individuals with our own personal tastes.
Quote Posted by Starker
The slap is just a metaphor, thiefessa. Let's imagine you are starting a relationship with a guy...
Yes, I know.
A placeholder and a relationship are too far apart to use as a realistic example.
But to answer. if you seriously dislike something/someone, then you don't engage at all. You move on. Go find another boyfriend... or another game. :cheeky:
Otherwise you stick around and moan and gnash about the same things that are wrong in your relationship year in, year out. Too boring.
Starker on 26/4/2013 at 09:21
Quote Posted by thiefessa
A placeholder and a relationship are too far apart to use as a realistic example.
The placeholder was the slapping. Metaphors aren't meant to be realistic.
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But to answer. if you seriously dislike something/someone, then you don't engage at all. You move on. Go find another boyfriend... or another game.
Some people might give up on the relationship thing altogether or wait until a new guy shows up, but some people would really like to have a relationship again that was as good as the first one. Especially after the second guy turned out to be so disappointing.
I'm personally going to stick to one night stands for now.
thiefessa on 26/4/2013 at 09:37
Quote Posted by Starker
Some people might give up on the relationship thing altogether or wait until a new guy shows up, but some people would really like to have a relationship again that was as good as the first one. Especially after the second guy turned out to be so disappointing.
I'm personally going to stick to one night stands for now.
You should give up altogether if it brings you nothing but grief. Life is too short to engage in negative energy 24/7.
Yes. we all want our relationships to work; but they will never work if you nit-pick. You must accept what is and make no demands. If you make demands in a real relationship, you'd be known as a "control freak". If you can achieve at least freedom of acceptance and an open-mind, then your relationship might have a chance. You must judge the relationship from truth, and not fear.
PS. This relationship discussion is fun. :cheeky:
Starker on 26/4/2013 at 09:52
Quote Posted by thiefessa
You should give up altogether if it brings you nothing but grief. Life is too short to engage in negative energy 24/7.
Yes. we all want our relationships to work; but they will never work if you nit-pick. You must accept what is and make no demands. If you make demands in a real relationship, you'd be known as a "control freak". If you can achieve at least freedom of acceptance and an open-mind, then your relationship might have a chance. You must judge the relationship from truth, and not fear.
PS. This relationship discussion is fun. :cheeky:
A lot of people would be willing to compromise if the guy would meet us even a tiny step of the way, but the way things are, the guy is slapping us around, refusing to discuss anything with us, all the conversations are one sided, and what we say falls to deaf ears. Now some people say that it's actually our fault, that if we only behaved properly, the guy might start to treat us right. Personally, I doubt it.
jtr7 on 26/4/2013 at 10:05
He's not sharing with the people who are kissing his ass, unless they are lying about not having any more info. That's a lot of NDAs to pass around, too. :p
thiefessa on 26/4/2013 at 10:08
Quote Posted by Starker
A lot of people would be willing to compromise if the guy would meet us even a tiny step of the way, but the way things are, the guy is slapping us around, refusing to discuss anything with us, all the conversations are one sided, and what we say falls to deaf ears. Now some people say that it's actually our fault, that if we only behaved properly, the guy might start to treat us right. Personally, I doubt it.
Seems to me like the guy met you a BIG step of the way. Is there nothing in the relationship so far that you like? Or, to put it your way, where he hasn't slapped you?
Going on and on about something like a nickname he introduced shouldn't be something you hold against him and then see everything else as a slap just because you're in a negative mood about it.
On a serious note; I have no idea what EM's reasons are for this or that. You'll have to work that one out for yourself.
I'm just expressing personal opinions and saying that continuing to complain about a placeholder is not really that interesting, is it? So, think I'll leave it at that.
Where is that gameplay footage? That's what I'm interested in right now.
