One_Eye on 1/8/2001 at 20:33
We always have, and I believe always will use dialog, language and reactions appropriate to the situation.
BMoney
Producer/ISA - Team Deus Ex
[ August 01, 2001: Message edited by: One_Eye ]
kostoffj on 1/8/2001 at 21:35
Quote:
Originally posted by One_Eye:
<STRONG>We always have and I believe always will use dialog, language and reactions appropriate to the situation.
BMoney
Producer/ISA - Team Deus Ex</STRONG>
Thank you :D
oneof4 on 1/9/2002 at 18:24
OK, I just spent the last fifteen minutes reading through this thread, and here are some observations:
For those who cry that removing crude language & sexual content take away from the "realism" I offer the following -- Do you walk down the street or through the mall each day surrounded by "Augmented" soldiers/agents? Do you spot security bots along the way? C'mon guys, this is a "fantasy land"! Removing crude/lude content will NOT make it less believable, cause it's already unbelievable to start with. (Except for the Illuminati, which I do believe exists :p )
Personally I would like to have the "choice" (since that seems to be such an important word in our society today) to turn off crude/lude content. My eight year old son occasionally asks why he can't play Deus EX, and the only reason I don't let him is the language. I don't worry so much about the dancers, etc. cause they're not in your face like the UNATCO and MJ12 are. I know, some will say what about the violence when it comes to an eight year old? He sees as much on DragonBall Z and other cartoons like it, but yet he doesn't have the urge to go out and pop some one in the head with a 9. I would be concerned though, that after hearing the characters in Deus EX shouting out curses, that he would do the same when pretending to be JC, and playing it out with his buddies.
This is probably all for naught though since one of the game developers has already said that it will be there.:tsktsk:
Gingerbread Man on 1/9/2002 at 18:43
See, to me, this is a far more relevant debate than the old "violence in games" one. Most violence is cartoonish or requires equipment / physical strength and co-oordination that a child simply does not have.
But I know that children are quite happy to mimic "adult" speech (not necessarily the swearies, they just like to expand and mimic adults) and the plain truth of things as far as social attitude formation goes is that children are very very susceptible. They're still learning the ropes, and if a game they play often tells them that one of the ropes is called "Homosexuality is nothing to freak out about" or that one of the ropes is "Black people are criminals"... well, that's what they're going to internalise, for good or for bad.
The "This game is rated M, they shouldn't be playing it" is a crock of shit, as well. The ESRB ratings are voluntary and they are not enforced. They are there as a guide for the parents and for storekeepers who choose to be conscientious about whom they sell games to.
Many games have settings which will reduce the level of gore and blood or, as in Turok, change it to something less realistic (green). I don't see that it requires any more work on the part of the programmers and voice-actors to have a "language filter" than a gore-setting would require.
The first point of this thread is a good one: You'll never lose players by not including profanity.
I think it should be included if it's appropriate to the gameworld and to the vibe, but I don't imagine that it would detract from things if suitable replacements were recorded and a language-option included. (And by suitable, I mean changing things a bit more sensibly that "OH FIDDLESTICKS! I'M UNDER FIRE! THAT SON OF A GUN HAS ME PINNED DOWN!")
;)
SNAFU on 1/9/2002 at 19:00
The funny thing is that... well... I don't remember ANYBODY cursing in Deus Ex. Well... except for some of the terrorists and MJ12 troopers. Do what fits the theme I say. I wouldn't be surprised if someone swore up and down if he had a bullet in his leg. But I wouldn't expect every four words out of everyone's mouth to be a curse.
Just make it flow well; the Deus Ex universe isn't about how many times you can say "F*CK" in a single sentence.
Ummmm.... why were we talking about this again?:p
BadNacho on 2/9/2002 at 00:14
Why don't we make Deus Ex 2 not offend the Amish and make it so it isn't electronic.
Nethawk on 2/9/2002 at 04:37
Hey Deus Ex 2 team, can we possibly have Brittney Spears do a lesbian love scene in the game? Those headlines freaked me out man!:cool:
BadNacho on 2/9/2002 at 13:23
You know, Britney Spears would be around 140 in DX2 time.:eww: :p
Thirith on 4/9/2002 at 08:14
See, that's one thing I really don't get about American ratings (whether of films, music or games). What is usually called 'adult' or 'mature' themes IMO is more often absolutely immature and catering to the pimply teenage tits-n-asses brigade. You might just as well call most rap videos 'mature'...
Anything that's put in a game or film because it'll appeal to the lowest common denominator tends to be very adolescent, I think, and to be honest will put me off a game very fast. Most things of a sexual nature in games are like that, IMO - what's adult about the hookers in GTA 3, for instance? Or why do the women in Gothic all look like Playboy centerfolds? Personally, I just find that sort of thing boring after five seconds.
IMO Deus Ex had one or two of these moments as well - so many of the women were boringly written sluts (although, to be honest I thought that dialogues in DE were often dodgy anyway, especially compared to other Warren Spector games) if they weren't already prostitutes to begin with. On the whole, though, it evoked a consistent, dark and - for want of a better word - adult world. If stuff like violence and sex isn't put in simply to titilate, and if it's not done in a snickering teenage-boy way, I have no problems whatsoever - as long as they don't go over the top. I definitely wouldn't want to see brutal dismemberings (a la SoF2) or orgies in DE2. They'd have to work very hard to make me buy into that sort of thing.
juveli on 4/9/2002 at 11:56
I agree with Pseudonymouse and oneof4. There could be an option to turn off swearing & other dirty material, like there is already the option to turn off gore. This way everybody can enjoy the game and nobody gets hurt.
