lowenz on 21/11/2021 at 07:37

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Yeah, like considering a skateboard a deadly weapon but an assault rifle a hunt "rifle" 'cause the stupid american naming of the guns :)

Of course the judge is biased, everyone knows that an "assault rifle" is NOT a "rifle" intended for hunting sport so NO, that teenager was NOT allowed to carry and use it. And maybe not to play vigilante @17 years endangering everyone around him.

Nonetheless is good to see conservatives defend a man-child with hero/sceriff complex just to oppose the "libtards", that says everything - EVERYTHING - about them.

Here in Italy we got a similar episode years ago but with:

1) a real hunting gun (not a war-grade weapon)
2) man was mature
3) assaulters were armed taking hostages

Now that's the case to play "vigilante".

Translate in english: (https://www.panorama.it/news/parla-graziano-stacchio-ho-sparato-perche-sono-un-uomo-normale)

That's acceptable, NOT a man-child playing the hero.

Dia on 21/11/2021 at 13:53

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@Vae: That pudgy little crybaby didn't know at the time that the man he shot & killed was a sex offender. And, fyi, the first man Rittenhouse shot & killed was not 'trying to kill' Rittenhouse; the man was trying to get the rifle away from a kid who was pretending to take aim and shoot at a group of peacefully protesting black people. Unfortunately, the testimony of witnesses who saw Rittenhouse pretending to shoot at BLM protesters was never allowed during the trial. What would any of you do if you were with a group of peaceful protesters and you saw this snot-nosed punk taking aim at you & your friends with an assault rifle and smiling while he did so (and yes, the people Rittenhouse was pretending to take aim and fire at were peaceful, as in not among those rioting)?? That nasty boy came to our state, borrowed an assault rifle from a friend who lives in Wisconsin and went to that protest with malicious intent; his FB page was full of right wing bullshit and the typical braggadocio of a kid who wants to be taken seriously as a white supremacist . The owner whose business little pudge boy claimed he was trying to protect issued a disclaimer right after Rittenhouse was arrested; he denied that he ever asked nasty boy to help out with 'security' in protecting his business, primarily because the kid no longer worked there and was also a minor. That joke of a judge clearly pandered to nasty boy and sure started sounding like a Trump supporter when he stopped the trial and went off on a rant against journalists and the media. ((https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-kyle-rittenhouse-judge-media-criticism-20211103-p3pmc5fgfnbntad6ddx4jr2yye-story.html))
((https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/2021/11/whole-case-is-a-mess-internet-stunned-as-judge-lets-rittenhouse-choose-final-jurors-in-raffle-system/))

The whole trial was a circus, did injustice to the people whom the kid killed and opened the door for more vigilante murders, period. I haven't been this ashamed to be a Wisconsinite since Scott (Scooter) Walker was governor. *smh*

Tocky on 21/11/2021 at 17:08

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More vigilante murders is what the right wants. They count that as a win. I just wonder what happens when it's the Proud Boys or other racist groups being killed. I guess it will be whining like with that woman who broke into the Capitol. They are incapable of comparing the two and cops can do no wrong if they kill left wingers but no right if the kill right wingers. Besides, they figure they will win when they have shoot outs which they want more of. Boogaloo!

Draxil on 22/11/2021 at 05:37

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Sorry, the irony in this was too much to ignore. The rise of left wing violence is evident in all the 2020-2021 riots. An estimated $50 million dollars damage was done in a city with a population of less than 100,000 during the Kenosha riots, to private property. Protesters against racial injustice have to burn down car dealerships owned by minorities, I guess. The property that Rittenhouse was "guarding" was a car dealership that saw all of its inventory destroyed during the riots. The George Floyd riots cost in excess of $2 billion dollars in private property damage, usually in minority neighborhoods. Good thing the left is so peaceful.

Do a little experiment: flip the race, location, and political affiliation of the Kenosha shootings. The shooter is a black Democrat is Charlottesville who shot three black pro-Trump rioters. If your feeling towards him is different, then you may be approaching this from an irrational and tribal point of view. Rittenhouse may very well be a scum bag, a pussy, a girl-punching douchebag. He shouldn't have been there at all, much less with a gun. But he was on trial for first degree intentional homicide, not for his character and past actions. Everything clearly points to the fact that he was trying to flee the situation when he shot those men. Trying to convict him of first degree homicide was ludicrous from the start given the facts of the case.

edit: kudos on the Bari Weiss piece. Good read.

Starker on 22/11/2021 at 07:58

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And how many synagogues has this "violent left" shot up? You're talking about property damage when people's lives have been lost on the other side. Minorities, on one hand, doing what they can to change the society. Violent extremists, on the other hand, who want to murder, torture, and imprison people who they see as lesser... and do. The people who are protesting against racial injustice are not some murderous scumbags who are espousing a violent ideology, but people who have had enough of the, y'know, injustice. Taking into account how black people have been treated in the US and for how long, I'd say they have been remarkably peaceful, especially if you consider the incredibly massive scale and extent of the protests.

"True peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of justice."



We are not holding a trial here, but expressing our opinions about current events. Completely fair game to talk about the shooter's character and prior actions. And people haven't been exactly shy about trying to insinuate how the victims "had it coming" either. But if you really think that the shooter has received unfair treatment by the justice system and that the shooter wouldn't have had a different treatment by the justice system and law enforcement, if he had been black, don't you think you're the one who's approaching this from an irrational and tribal point of view?

Also, the Kenosha shooter didn't just flee, but started shooting people. I have been chased by people explicitly and unambiguosly intending me harm, a group of skinheads who really meant business. You know what I didn't do? Murder them. There is such a thing as proportionality in self-defence. If someone punches you on the street, you have every right to defend yourself, even strike back, but if you stab them with a knife or hit them with a baseball bat, that's no longer self-defence. You can't use force that can cause grievous harm to remove a minor threat. And the circumstances, like whether you rile someone up on purpose, play into it as well.