AxTng1 on 30/8/2006 at 15:58
Quote Posted by Andy_X69
I mean sex in terms of "XX chromosome or XY chromosome."
Spoilsport :grr:
Shevers on 30/8/2006 at 17:07
Quote Posted by redrain85
The first mission of DX1 nearly killed the game for me, too. I kept thinking "why does everyone think this game is so great". Kept putting off playing the game, and nearly uninstalled it.
Possibly the worst first impression, that such an awesome game could have had.
Yeah, but looking back I don't think that was because the first mission was bad - Deus Ex was just, to me anyway, the kind of game that takes a bit of playing to get into. Which is why so many people seem not to like the first mission or two, when technically they're pretty good.
AxTng1 on 30/8/2006 at 17:15
Quote Posted by Shevers
when technically they're pretty good.
A bit of a stretch IMO.
* Big empty spaces that have to be traversed often with no real gameplay profit.
* Almost all the characters encouraging you to take the long, boring way
* "HAY LOOK THERES A DUCT SYSTEM THAT GOES FROM SPOT A WHERE YOU ARE TO SPOT B WHERE YOU WANT TO BE HOW CONVINIENT"
Perhaps this is a personal choice, but I much prefer "living" cities with various mission objectives (Early NY, Paris) to open, full-on hostile areas like Liberty or the Docks.
Special hatred award goes to linear fight bits like mole people tunnels and A51.
William Dojinn on 30/8/2006 at 17:28
Quote Posted by skumlex
Kiron Gillen, a game journalist with a reputation has written a 4000 word piece on Shodan, which is named "The Girl who wanted to be God". It originally appeared in Pc Gamer UK nr. 165, but is now free for all on
(
http://gillen.cream.org/wordpress_html/?p=1104")
Is it sad that dispite all the thoughtful and potentially meaningful discussion about the artical itself the biggest gripe I have is that the original poster didn't use URL tags for thier link?
EvilKodiak on 10/9/2006 at 01:58
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I'm glad he recognises that having an SS3 with SHODAN yet again would lessen her somewhat. Though I think if somehow, she won in the end, in a Helios kind of way, that could be good enough.
Durandal comes to mind...
Bluegrime on 11/9/2006 at 04:18
Hrm.. Perhaps a Tycho/Infinity sort of twist with Xerxes?
Brem_X_Jones on 11/9/2006 at 14:06
Quote Posted by Andy_X69
As for the idea that SHODAN has a gender and then using postmodern gender theory to back it up, please dont. Postmodernism is a load of crap that is based on the assumption that people cannot know truth. If we cannot know truth, then we cannot know that we cannot know truth. Postmodernism contradicts itself.
Now, I've got problems with postmodernism - up to and including having a whole OGN whose major subtext is a critique of how bloody poisionous it is - but phrasing a naive argument is... well, a little naive. Wittgenstein would have a load of words to say with you (mainly about "words").
Anyway:
In Shodan's case... of course she's a woman, in exactly the same way (say) Her From Terminator 3 is a woman or the Borg Queen is a woman or Jocasta is a woman or the alien queen is a woman: they're all discussing ideas of what a woman is about. It's like saying Supergirl hasn't anything to say about feminism because - y'know - she's not a human female.
If a creator presents her as a woman, in a work of art, she bloody well is one or at least commentary on one. Because *fiction isn't real* and 99% of fiction is actually talking about humans.
(The hardest of hard-sci-fi and the absolute *most* determined of fantasists being the only exceptions that come to mind, and even then it's about humans in a once-removed fashion because the point is what these alien things say about the human condition).
KG
cosmicnut on 11/9/2006 at 15:53
OK, the way I see it is this.
Shodan is "our" creation, both in fiction and in the fictional world she inhabits.
She is female because the human designers gave her a voice and attitudes that make her female.
Whenever we create anything, we call on the things we know. When we want to create a personality. We will endow it with a sex as that is how we see the universe.
A truly asexual creation would have to be grown rather than programmed
