Rogue Keeper on 31/7/2003 at 07:49
Yes, far more wicked than just concealing their agenda with less poetic and more believable tools. This theory has been already presented in the X-Files (authors of which took the idea from somewhere else...)
Anyways, we can ask them directly how it really was...:cheeky:
(www.mj12.com) [email]mj-1@mj12.com[/email]
This is what one of the visitors of mj12 discussion boards wrote:
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wow i agree with all the people that DON'T believe in this website. this is just a scam site designed for computer geeks who have played the game "deus ex" though about fifty thousand times and simply cannot get enough of the whole conspiracy story behind it. you guys are trying to act all secretive and credible and this is just fueling those geeks' engines. most of those geeks would probably go so far as to buy your shoddy merchandise because they cant get enough of everything that concerns the game. i've played the game myself and i agree it is one of the most fantastic games ever created, just for how elaborate it is in every aspect. but even i can see through this bullshit. your biggest giveaway is the fact that this website was established AFTER the game went big among the video gamers community. then you guys decided to capitalize on it, and furhtermore, try to make yourselves sound credible with that bullshit FAQ section. if you were really so secretive you wouldnt go out of your way to make some website about yourself even if info about you was supposedly "leaking." after all, a lot of stuff about the U.S. government leaks everyday but they dont go around putting it on websites. they cover it up like professionals, which is something you obviously are not. youre some guy with a bit of know-how about the internet commuinty who thinks he can make some easy money by fooling computer geeks. an amusing but ultimately futile attempt.
Answer of the MJ12 Monitor:
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We grow so fatigued of addressing this issue. One more time, we have nothing to do with the game Deus Ex (or any other game, television show, movie, book, etc.). As others have pointed out, you can easily research when this domain was created, which was long before any game was created featuring a fictional version of the Group.
Something on the Illuminati:
(www.conspiracyarchive.com/)Raymond Luxury Yacht on 31/7/2003 at 12:47
Damn you all - and I mean it in a good way. Now, thanks to some people's (esp. Lytha's) comments, now I must restart - I WAS ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH - to try some of the bits and pieces I picked up. Stuff I never would have thought of - like zapping th UNATCO troop for the assault rifle. Call me old-fashioned good guy. But I DO remember starting one time and skipping the big kraut, going straight to the top. When I got back to base Herman cried about how I killed all the enemies and left him, but the guy at the desk, upon entering, said 'I heard you slipped by a lot of the terrorists. Pretty smart.' SO who should I listen to - the desk jockey or the big mean kraut (apologies to any Germans offended)?
At any rate, this is why this is such a great game - the replayability, and the things you dig up are amazing.
Raymond Luxury Yacht on 31/7/2003 at 12:50
Oh, and Zaccheus: Lockpicks and nanotech tools are your friends, the friends who bring Guinness. Keys and proper codes are the friends who bring Jameson.
But, the Jaime Reyes bug is the friend who brings a case of 18-yr-old Glenfiddich and a bevy of young, nubile lassies!!!
chris the cynic on 31/7/2003 at 15:19
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Originally posted by BR796164 Apparently, the presence and purpose of Greasels, Karkians and Grays has no deeper sense and purpose in the world of DX than to provide player a threat he must deal with somehow. Why does MJ12 make Greasels and Karkians in the first place? To rule the world?
The Grays are just added, because as you know, some conspiracy theories suggest that Majestic 12 is a secret organisation behind Roswell flying saucer accident.
Sometimes it seems to me that the authors just didn't refrain from putting together all kind of conspiracy theories and secret groups which came to their mind.... And it looks disttasteful a bit. :erg: I'm not going to put the whole thread as a spoiler, if you don't want to know sppoiling aspects of the grays and such just skip it.
Unfortunately you are right, partially. The Greasels, Karkians and Grays exist in the game because they were forced to add monsters. However they do fit with the plot of the game. I actually wonder if Grays weren't in there before they had to add the monsters because MJ12 has always been associated with aliens.
Now then Grays exist for meme warfare and (I quote Bob Page) “as a propaganda tactic in diverting attention away from actual Dreamland research. ” DreamLand is Area 51. He continues, “With recent advances in genetic science, the Gray lifeform could be engineered to protect MJ12 facilities while also serving as a useful bit of meme indirection.”
Note “meme” a meme war is a war of ideas, meme indirection would be making people think there are aliens when there are not. Thus making all of the conspiracy buffs go down the wrong road.
The other transgenics exist for less deep purposes. The were created by the people at Versalife for three reasons, one to impress their benefactors (as well as the older scientists), two to test out their ability to design new life forms, three for guard animals for MJ12.
The greasels at least seem to have a fourth purpose, that being making progress in knowledge of accepting augmentation/not suffering from Gray Death. Most likely the changed groups of things at a time and thus were not sure what it was they did to eliminate immune response but hoped that it would help narrow down the problem.
Also they used them to further confuse people (meme indirection) which you can find out if you read the Midnight Sun article on karkians.
Eventually it was probably hoped that they could design an organism immediately when a problem arose, the use a UC to create it. This way they would never have to deal with human limitations.
So the reason they were there was for the Grays because they kind of had to be, and for the karkians and geasels because Page likes guard dogs, the Versalife scientists wanted to be impressive, and they needed to practice organism design. As you can see the Grays have a far better reason for being there.
Note that the current association of Majestic Twelve with aliens would (from the viewpoint of the game) prove how effective the conspiracy is at indirection. The grays were created to get people away from the truth, and no one thinks that MJ12 is a tool of the Illuminati. (Remember that Majestic Twelve was around in the now, it was just a part of the Illuminati then [now])
Rogue Keeper on 1/8/2003 at 06:19
Well I guess that's satisfying explanation. Partially.
chris the cynic on 1/8/2003 at 21:59
Interestingly the grays greasels and karkians are an incredibly good way to conceal stuff. The reason is that it discredts the person. For example all of the people who think MJ12 has to do with aliens are much more likely to be ignored than people who know the truth.
A karkian was loose in New York and it was reported in the Tabloid Midnight Sun. This made it far more easy to cover up than the Greasel's existance which was printed in a reputeable newspaper. But you have to ask, "Why was a karkian loose?" All of the other ones were right where it helped out MJ12 (except the ones rampant in ocean lab.) There were mutilated bodies found in the subways sewers and docks. The police of course refused to investigate deaths reportedly caused by a lion sized rat.
Now because the police aren't investigating other people could be taken and not be investigated (test subjects) also people who work in the sewers and subways (near the MJ12 lab) and at the docks (possibly where MJ12 released the virus) would all be discredited. So that means anyone who could tell the truth about MJ12 would be lumped into the “crazies who saw a giant rat” group. It doesn't matter if they aren't one of the people who said they saw it, because of who and where they are they will be stereotyped into that group.
Of course the grays are best for this, almost no one listens to people who rave about aliens.
BlackCapedManX on 2/8/2003 at 04:08
The problem with grays obviously being that they emit radiation, so when people come back claiming to have seen grays, and their skin is degenerating and they are suffering radiation poisoning... well, thats kinda hard to cover up. But I doubt if the game addresses this.
The point I like to make though, is that grays a damn frightening. They move really, really fast, make weird ass noises, damage you if you get too close to them, kill you in several melee attacks (one on realistic difficulty), shoot out a cone of radiation, have huge, black (somewhat insect like) eyes, and in general just look weird. So they are slain at all costs. (at least in my games). Greasels are cool though, because poison spitting lizards seem to make a lot more sense than 4' tall hairless humanoids. And again, because of how they treat you in Versalife (go forth my greasle army! slay my enemies, and devour their corpses!... sorry)
So whatever happened to the main point of this thread?
Z on 2/8/2003 at 13:06
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So whatever happened to the main point of this thread?
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chris the cynic on 4/8/2003 at 19:04
I don't know if anyone told you this, Battery Park is a forced failure. You can beat everything except for Gunther, sadly he is immortal.
