Jack? Jack is dead, my friend. You can call me...

SubJeff on 6/11/2007 at 15:04

I really like the Batman-Catwoman Wayne-Selena romance though!!!! Which is why the rest of it grates so much :( There is nothing worse than the almost good being ruined in such a "Doh!" fashion. It's like tripping on the last hurdle when you're about to break the world record as opposed to just coming 4th.

Rug Burn Junky on 6/11/2007 at 15:16

Quote Posted by Martin Karne

His name is Walter Koenig, not Pavel A. Chekhov.

And my name's not actually Rug Burn Junky, but when you call me RBJ, I STILL KNOW WHO YOU MEAN. :grr:

Rogue Keeper on 6/11/2007 at 15:21

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You forgot the power plant plot bit. Sucking power from a city. Great.

You're watching - surprisingly - a comic movie. Technical Logic of such trivial details is subordinate to other aspects in a comic movie - character development and their interaction, clash of ideals, definition of good and evil and of course action.

Overall the movie is about the exploitors and the exploited and the road of exploited one to villany. Both Cobblepot and Selina were exploited, one by parents, the other by men in power (hence the notable feminist theme) and, at least in the latter case, they took their involuntarily screwed vision of justice into their own hands. In this aspect they are not unlike Bruce Wayne, who is slowly turning from morally transparent superhero into haunted criminal-killing machine.

Matthew on 6/11/2007 at 15:30

Killing? That makes it fall down a bit in my eyes.

Rogue Keeper on 6/11/2007 at 15:52

Hunting, if we want to be politically correct. Just examine that guy. Hunting of criminals is no longer just sense of duty for him, to do good for the sake of goodness. It's growing into nearly pathologic, oddly resigned, passionless obsession.

rachel on 6/11/2007 at 16:07

HIS PARENTS ARE DEAD.

oh shit page 4 :o

Matthew on 6/11/2007 at 16:15

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Hunting, if we want to be politically correct.

It's not the political correctness talking - Batman doesn't kill. He just doesn't.

Rogue Keeper on 6/11/2007 at 16:25

I tell you there is some nasty stuff going on off screen, always.

SubJeff on 6/11/2007 at 16:32

Quote Posted by BR796164

You're watching - surprisingly - a comic movie. Technical Logic of such trivial details is subordinate to other aspects in a comic movie

This where you show that you've got it all wrong. Plot is paramount and is in the comics. Why should we eschew that because it's now a film? Isn't that essential to the flavour of the entire endeavor? Of course the character interactions are important but you have to have something credible to hang it all off or you're just making a piece of celluloid trash. Oh look, there we have it!

And Batman doesn't kill people as a rule, that's part of his character, no?

Matthew on 6/11/2007 at 16:39

Well, not since his very early appearances, no. I'm pretty sure he's taken a shit-fit if he comes across any other heroes with slacker rules on it.