Thief13x on 28/10/2007 at 01:49
Is anyone else blown away by the fact that New York is now (
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/27/immigrant.licenses.ap/index.html) ISSUING drivers licenses to illegal immigrants? I can hardly contain my fury, seriously, especially in this decade, sure they're going to be "clearly marked" as not federal ID's but if somone can hack the Iphone somone can get around this 'clear marking'.
I just don't get it, it's like telling your kid he's wrong for grabbing an electrical cord and then giving him icecream. If I had the choice of waiting 5 years for legal immigration status or risking sneaking in with a month or so of effort, no money, and a photo ID + driver's license,...well, decision is real hard, right. This just really ruined my day.
demagogue on 28/10/2007 at 03:15
I never really understood the anger some people have against illegal immigrants.
Having watched friends go through the immigration procedure, the line between legal and illegal immigration seems so arbitrary to me. 9 out of 10 times, in my experience, the only difference between the two is whether the case-worker or check-box controlling their status wants to be sympathetic or wants to be an asshole. And yet some want to call the people dealing with asshole case-workers or checkboxes pariahs to hate, and those dealing with sympathetic ones as the "tired and hungry" we welcome into our country ... even if it's the same person with 2 different case-workers, or under two arbitrarily different check-boxes on some form. Whatever. Employers want them, the economy is saying through free supply-and-demand forces that it wants them, they are already here and have been working and have experience on the job, so they need licenses to get to work. It's a logical way to deal with the meantime while the politics and economics and process of it settles its ever-shifting mind about what to do with them.
I can see arguments about different opinions on the best way to deal with that "meantime" from a procedural, efficiency, or fairness perspective. But where does the hatred come from when the legal and illegal line is so arbitrary? What's the big deal? Where does the "fury" come from?
icemann on 28/10/2007 at 03:34
It is just you Thief13x
Trappin on 28/10/2007 at 07:14
White contractors hire cheap illegal Latino labor so they can underbid the legal competition. Free trade/supply and demand works as long as everyone follows the rules. To bad the rules are ignored.
For example - California has very high workers compensation liability rates. When a roofing contractor cheats on paying workers comp they are saving 50 cents on every dollar made. Kinda hard to be an honest contractor and bid against the cheaters and labor exploiters.
So what do we do? import more cheap illegal labor and drive wages down to third world rates. Couple years later we see MALDEF activists demanding a "living wage" for the working poor. Funny how that works eh.
jay pettitt on 28/10/2007 at 08:24
I think the assumption that there's something wrong with migration is daft. Have feet, will travel.
Aerothorn on 28/10/2007 at 14:57
See, we have time to worry about this stuff because global warming doesn't exist.
Starrfall on 28/10/2007 at 15:21
Quote Posted by Thief13x
I just don't get it, it's like telling your kid he's wrong for grabbing an electrical cord and then giving him icecream. If I had the choice of waiting 5 years for legal immigration status or risking sneaking in with a month or so of effort, no money, and a photo ID + driver's license,...well, decision is real hard, right. This just really ruined my day.
Or like telling your kid it's wrong to make, sell, or drink alcohol and then making it legal to do so? Or like telling your kid it's wrong to have underaged oral sex and then drastically reducing the penalty for doing so? The "well I have nothing against them but they're BREAKING THE LAW so we shouldn't reward them" people are pretty ridiculous. It's not a reward, it's a decision that a certain policy isn't worthwhile any more. It happens a lot. Why complain this time just because immigration is involved? If the people of New York disagree and want the old policy back it's not like they're voiceless.
And no, the decision of whether to come in legally or not isn't hard. If you want to be able to live normally without the fear of detention and deportation at any moment the choice is probably pretty clear. A New York drivers license isn't going to keep la migra away.
*Zaccheus* on 28/10/2007 at 15:51
Quote Posted by CNN News
Under the compromise, New York will produce an "enhanced driver's license" that will be as secure as a passport. It is intended for people who soon will need to meet such ID requirements, even for a short drive to Canada.
A second version of the license will meet new federal standards of the Real ID Act. That law is designed to make it much harder for illegal immigrants or would-be terrorists to obtain licenses.
A third type of license will be available to undocumented immigrants.
Where does it say that they will knowingly give it to illegal immigrants ?
Does 'undocumented' always mean 'illegal' ?
Thief13x on 28/10/2007 at 16:41
Quote Posted by Aerothorn
See, we have time to worry about this stuff because global warming doesn't exist.
I know right, the unprecedented number of hurricanes to hit Florida this hurricane season (0) really keeps me up at night and wondering if tommorow, when I wake up, WILL I BE FLOATING IN A STATEWIDE CAULDRON OF WATER FROM THE MELTING ICECAPS FULL OF DROWNED POLARBEAR REMAINS CHURNED FROM GALE FORCE WINDS POUNDING THE UNITED STATES' EAST COAST? gosh I wonder
I understand that gw does exist, I just speculate as to whether we can do anything to stop it, and based on the number of liberals I see crusing around in 34 cylinder suv's, I'm tempted to claim you guys are a bunch of power-hungry douchbags trying to control america'S vast population of idiots
Quote Posted by Starrfall
And no, the decision of whether to come in legally or not isn't hard.
hmm, because last I checked the illegals population was about 12 million, but yeah, thats not a whole lot, whatever...I'll see ya on I95
Starrfall on 28/10/2007 at 17:01
You don't know whether they're transient and just looking for work or whether they're here to stay for good.
I'll tell you what, I know an immigrant who came with the intent to stay permanently, not just as a strawberry picker, and with no desire to have to live under the radar in fear of being kicked out at any time. Shall I ask him which method of immigration he preferred?
