It happened again, only this time the teacher is actually attractive... - by AxTng1
Para?noid on 12/11/2006 at 22:09
LISTEN YOU DUMB DONGS YOU'VE ALL MISSED THE POINT
THE ISSUE OVERARCHES THIS PARTICULAR CASE BUT IF THE BROAD GETS AWAY WITH IT THEN WHAT EXAMPLE DOES IT SET FOR THE FUTURE?
THE AGE OF CONSENT LAW HAS TO BE DEFINED BECAUSE YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY CONSIDER EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL CASE VIA PSYCHOLOGICAL AND PHYSICAL PROFILING OF THE TWO PARTIES TO ASCERTAIN WETHER THEY KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE GETTING INTO SO I DON'T SEE THE PROBLEM WITH
A) THE SYSTEM
B) THE CASE IN HAND
Pyrian on 12/11/2006 at 23:17
Legal age of consent varies from 12-18. It's hardly a slam-dunk case in terms of right/wrong if people can't agree on whether it is or isn't.
fett on 13/11/2006 at 00:19
Personally, I'd have hit that when I was around 13. Did I understand the potential consequences then? No. Would I have still done it? Yes.
It seems that the pervading idea is that ideally, older people should protect the younger people - even from themselves if necessary. Therefore, age of legal consent, statutory rape laws, etc. Regardless of position of the adult (no pun intended) or age of the 'child' (whether 8 or 18), the law is designed so that in 'normal' society (don't split hairs with me on that term youknowwhatimeanyoudumbfuck) there's at least some modicum of safety for kids:
Sexually,
Chemically (there are specific laws against providing/selling drugs/alcohol to minors)
Medically
And so on.
Because some kids that are 12 have the maturity of an 30 year old and are fully capable of understanding the consequences of their actions, and others are 18 and have the maturity of a baked potato, adults traditionally step in via actual parenting, educating, and as a last resort, lawmaking, to somewhat protect them from stupid things they do. If another adult lures them into doing said stupid thing, instead of protecting them as an adult should do, then it makes sense to me that the adult needs to be held responsible for that.
I'm sure there's a way to evaluate these incidents case by case, and make a determination as to the maturity of the kids, but I don't think that's realistic, therefore, we draw a line at 18, since *most* people do the majority of their fucking up before that age. It's not necessarily fair to the ones who are 13 going on 31, but the point of those laws is protection for the majority, not restriction for the minority who may be able to handle the consequences of their adolescent urges. Excusing it based on the age or maturity of the kid in a particular case is a slippery slope IMO.
I'm sure I could say that much more concisely, and some of it is awfully short-sighted, but the bottom line is for me is that an adult betrayed the trust that kids inherently place in adults to direct and nurture them, age/maturity notwithstanding.
Scots Taffer on 13/11/2006 at 00:31
The majority of their fucking BEFORE 18? Damn son, that's a busy youth and a slow life afterwards. :erg:
Anyway, I don't think we can mess around with the age of consent because everywhere I look, I already see kids getting pregnant at 14 and 15, so let's not push that down to kids getting pregnant at 12 and 13 by further sexualising them at such a young age.
People who want to teach kids under the age of 10 actual sexual education make see red, and I'm no fucking prude but that's NOT THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN.
That's not the only reason I don't think we shouldn't mess with the age of consent though, because then comes the whole fuzzy area of adults manipulating children into giving consent and the idea of rape goes out the window, plus what the fuck is going to become paedophilia if a 40 year old man can fuck a 14 year old girl.
16 as a line in the sand is fine because a lot of girls have fairly sound reasoning by that age and a fair portion of lads too, hormones and chemistry aside. Some may be wiser before, but some will also not sharpen up for a while after 16, that is the whole part and parcel of choosing an average that makes sense.
Malygris on 13/11/2006 at 01:22
Quote Posted by Para?noid
LISTEN YOU DUMB DONGS YOU'VE ALL MISSED THE POINT
You're just upset because you weren't getting that kind of action when you were 15.
Here's my problem with the system. "This is a 1977 Plymouth Gran Fury. It's as big as a house, weighs 2000 pounds, and has a 360 cubic inch V8 engine that will propel it at speeds in excess of 120 miles per hour. Happy 16th birthday, son. Here's the key."
But by god, don't be going and having sex with anyone.
Not that I'm suggesting that we want to make every 15-year-old fair game for every 35-year-old, but there are flaws in the system, and in this particular case I don't think it's quite so black-and-white as OMG CRAZY KIDDIE RAPIST SCHOOLTEACHER ON THE LOOSE
Kolya on 13/11/2006 at 01:43
Something about every bloke here saying "I'd have hit her!" but still being out to "protect the majority" strikes me as odd.
What are the potential consequences of a 15 year old having (consenting) sex with a 35 year old woman? Not understanding what's going on? A broken heart later on? Not to sound cynical but that's not so different from what most people experience at that age.
That being said I'd have doubts about the sanity of any of my friends (I'm 29.) turning up with a 15 yea old lover. And I'd certainly bring up the topic. But shouldn't we be able to handle this without putting people to jail, therefor making them relate to each other even more?
Renzatic on 13/11/2006 at 02:37
My only question is WHY a 35 year old would want to maintain a relationship with a 15 year old? Barring the rare exceptions, 14-16 year olds, regard of sex, are amazingly obnoxious. They're in that weird between stage, where they can occasionally carry on a mature conversation, but in an instant can go grade school and break into wild fits of giggling and scream "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA" at the top of their lungs.
I can excuse a physical attraction, provided the person in question doesn't look so underage that it'd be creepy for anyone above the age of 18 to be interested in them. But why would any offical on-paper adult want to go steady with someone that young?
Scots Taffer on 13/11/2006 at 03:00
I would say 9 times out of 10 those relationships are about control and manipulation, which is extremely seedy to say the least.
SD on 13/11/2006 at 03:02
Don't look for complicated answers; they're just perverts.
fett on 13/11/2006 at 03:22
Quote Posted by Scots_Taffer
The majority of their fucking BEFORE 18? Damn son, that's a busy youth and a slow life afterwards. :erg:
I said 'fucking up' not 'fucking' :P
*Usually* I've seen kids wake up by the time they hit about 18-19 and go "Oh wow - who gives shit whether or not I've got the highest Halo frag count, I need to get a fucking life," followed by college, military, real job, etc. Not that they suddenly 'grow up' but they do seem to get a sense that there's more out there than keg parties and XBox. Not all, but most...
Quote Posted by Kolya
Something about every bloke here saying "I'd have hit her!" but still being out to "protect the majority" strikes me as odd.
I think that fact only proves the point. Pretty much any guy would have sex with an older decent (not even good) looking woman when they are 15 because they're thinking with their cock. In retrospect, many would also say it would have been a bad idea for a number of reasons:
Quote:
What are the potential consequences of a 15 year old having (consenting) sex with a 35 year old woman? Not understanding what's going on? A broken heart later on? Not to sound cynical but that's not so different from what most people experience at that age.
I'm going to assume (maybe I shouldn't) that a 35 year old woman who's macking on a 15 year old isn't worried about protection very much. I'm basing that on some of these other cases where they explicitly stated that they didn't (one of them was actually impregnated IIRC). And as a 15 year old, I'm not too worried about it either! I just want some, I want it now, and man she's hot!
Let's turn the tables - are there consequences for a 15 year old girl having consenting sex with a 35 year old man? We're probably going to meander off into some equal rights bullshit at this point, but the idea of these laws is precedent for both sexes (RBJ can correct or elaborate this point I guess).
