sh0ck3r on 15/1/2009 at 04:36
Quote Posted by fett
Glad to know I'm not the only one who hated that fucking game. If I wanted to die by a single gunshot wound to the head, I could simply watch The Bachelor and drink heavily.
I was just about to buy that game...
Kolya on 15/1/2009 at 04:41
dethtoll: I didn't mean to insult you, and I don't think I did.
Suggest an alternative please. Because they did exactly what I would have done in their place. A flag isn't worth risking people's health or lives.
For some background: People don't usually put up flags here (outside of soccer tournaments), so if you do it's always about a message you're trying to send. In this case it was a big "Fuck You!" to those Islamists - which I totally agree with. But the police' responsibility among other things is to protect the people in that house whether they have anything to do with this or not.
june gloom on 15/1/2009 at 05:04
Here's how it would've gone down in the US:
BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM
MR. JOHNSON, OPEN UP
BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM
who is it
MR. JOHNSON IT'S THE POLICE
what what do you want
MR. JOHNSON DO YOU HAVE AN ISRAELI FLAG HANGING IN YOUR WINDOW
yeah, i do
MAYBE YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED THE CROWD OF PROTESTERS DOWN BELOW
yeah i have
I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK YOU TO TAKE THE FLAG DOWN
what why
BECAUSE WITH THAT FLAG THERE AND AND THOSE PROTESTERS ON THE STREET IT COULD START A RIOT PLEASE TAKE IT DOWN
Here's how it went in Germany
KICKING DOOR DOWN
RIPPING FLAGS OFF
LEAVING
Kolya on 15/1/2009 at 05:15
The people who put up the flag were not at home. It's in the article.
Sorry, but you don't seem like you know what you are talking about, instead you're trying all you can to make this into some kind of Gestapo bullshit.
The worst thing I see about this is that the police had to apologize later on about doing the right thing. But that's politics.
june gloom on 15/1/2009 at 05:27
You're going to have to forgive me for not being raised in a police state. Unless they had a warrant police would never have been allowed to break into someone's apartment if this was in the US. Sure, the folks weren't home and the riot could've gotten violent, but that doesn't excuse what they did.
fett on 15/1/2009 at 05:36
Haven't we done this thing before, where Koyla defended the oppressive actions of police, citing 'living in a police state' or some such? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else. Where is that thread?
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Where is that thread?
Kolya on 15/1/2009 at 05:56
Our legal system is very strict about protecting the privacy of one's house or apartement. I could find out on what legal basis they still opened that door. Most likely something like "Gefahr im Verzug", that is they had to make an immediate decision to protect people and goods which will later be checked by a judge.
And no, Germany is not a police state. In fact it would be harder for you to give any prove to that than for me to point at the flaws in the American legal system, voting system, the lack of freedom of the press and on and on and on.
But you're not looking for what really happened, you just want to confirm your stereotypes of evil Germans.
Buh.
ercles on 15/1/2009 at 06:48
Okay really I'm not sure there are many countries that can boast a great record with police incidents. In the USA you've got the whole tazer issue, which has already been thrashed out pretty thoroughly in these forums. The RCMP in Canada can't seem to go a week without another scandal (drink driving, prisoners dying in custody, tazers once again). Same issues in aus.
EDIT: Just out of interest, have you been to Germany dethtoll? Or have you heard this whole police state thing from German friends or what?
june gloom on 15/1/2009 at 07:22
Quote Posted by Kolya
you just want to confirm your stereotypes of evil Germans.
Well you certainly confirmed the stereotype of Dumb Kolya with this statement.
EDIT: No I haven't, ercles, I was actually referring to some statements Kolya's made in the past.
