Aja on 14/12/2023 at 17:42
So that makes it okay to slaughter civilians who are apparently "shielding" targets of low military value?
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“Nothing happens by accident,” said another source. “When a 3-year-old girl is killed in a home in Gaza, it's because someone in the army decided it wasn't a big deal for her to be killed — that it was a price worth paying in order to hit [another] target. We are not Hamas. These are not random rockets. Everything is intentional. We know exactly how much collateral damage there is in every home.”
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Another source said that a senior intelligence officer told his officers after October 7 that the goal was to “kill as many Hamas operatives as possible,” for which the criteria around harming Palestinian civilians were significantly relaxed. As such, there are “cases in which we shell based on a wide cellular pinpointing of where the target is, killing civilians. This is often done to save time, instead of doing a little more work to get a more accurate pinpointing,” said the source.
There's no logic in trying to demoralize Palestinian society by murdering them en masse. All it will do is create more resentment, and the cycle will continue.
Starker on 14/12/2023 at 17:44
Sounds like a thinly veiled excuse to kill civilians without any regard to proportionality or military necessity (as defined in international humanitarian law).
RippedPhreak on 14/12/2023 at 21:21
These "sources" are made up because no one knows if there's a 3-year-old girl in the building. No one is able to examine every building with infrared/FLIR and determine the exact number of bodies in it, plus their civilian/fighter status and age.
Also "international law" is worth exactly the pixels I just used to type it.
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All it will do is create more resentment, and the cycle will continue.
You're falling for another kind of propaganda here, the "tireless, undefeatable Muslim Holy Warrior" mythology. "No matter how many of us you kill, we will just keep attacking, until the end of time!" You're not doing them any favors by trying to make them sound like Terminators.
You'd better
hope that you're wrong here. Because if the Palestinians really do feel no pity, remorse, or fear, and if they absolutely WILL NOT STOP until all Jews are dead, then what choice does that leave Israel? Not pretty ones, to be sure.
Nicker on 14/12/2023 at 21:35
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I think you know Hamas has killed more than soldiers and did it first. As a matter of fact, the key word is response. There is never a "okay boys, time to knock off, we have reached the even quota" in war. Or do you think Israel should take a lot of young female Palestinians and rape them now?
I too think it is past time to hunt down Hamas on foot to lessen civilian casualties though. Palestinians will never have a future until Hamas is gone. Surely we can all agree on that?
The first paragraph was utterly unnecessary, Tocky. Nobody here, least of all me, is advocating revenge rapes.
As to your closing statement, yes. Israel should have done that from day one.
If Palestinians still support Hamas, perhaps that is because the alternative, Likud, is a greater evil.
heywood on 14/12/2023 at 23:14
You can't just kill all Hamas, because you don't know who they all are. Hamas isn't an organization like an Army; they don't wear uniforms and there's no central registry keeping records of every member and what their job is. They're part of the general population. And Hamas is just one face of the Palestinian resistance movement. It didn't start with Hamas and it won't end with it. The conflict keeps breeding new militants who will follow in their parents footsteps. As long they have the cause, they will fight. If they don't join Hamas, it will be some other group. There is no way to resolve this conflict militarily. Besides, the current Israeli government doesn't want to resolve it. They're just inflicting pain and punishment as a pressure tactic to get hostages back.
Azaran on 14/12/2023 at 23:37
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The conflict keeps breeding new militants who will follow in their parents footsteps. As long they have the cause, they will fight. If they don't join Hamas, it will be some other group. There is no way to resolve this conflict militarily. Besides, the current Israeli government doesn't want to resolve it. They're just inflicting pain and punishment as a pressure tactic to get hostages back.
Endless supply of disenfranchised young men with no future, willing to die to avenge their family and friends
A good reminder to lala land GenZ that these are not "freedom fighters"
Anarchic Fox on 15/12/2023 at 23:16
Posting to this thread stressed me out so much I stayed away from TTLG for a week, in which time the thread grew by three pages. Thank you to anyone who supported me, but I'm not reading that. Hopefully in the future I'll remember I'm not cut out for political argument.
