SD on 8/12/2023 at 13:27
Quote Posted by zomfg1234
The fact that Jews are so hostile to anyone who doesn't support their atrocious behavior makes it even easier for everyone to despise them. The so called anti-semitism is mostly a rational disgust for the people who are disgustingly evil.
Uh-oh, someone said the quiet part out loud.
heywood on 8/12/2023 at 14:16
Mods, can we get a cleanup in here?
I don't get how people even think like this. Isn't it blindingly obvious that not every Jew is a militant settler and not every Palestinian is a Hamas member? Look at the Ivy League schools we were just discussing. Harvard's enrollment, donor base, and faculty is 20-25% Jewish.
Tocky on 8/12/2023 at 15:02
No no. It's important to see and understand the depth of hatred for Jews and the simplemindedness needed to support them being constantly attacked and then retaliating. That is the pattern well established. It does not matter that the response is small or large because only the response will be scrutinized and never the attack. Some minor noting in particularly heinous cases, which is quickly glossed over and excused because of what has previously been implemented to stop attacks, aside.
heywood on 8/12/2023 at 15:09
It's still a lot harder to be a Muslim in this country than a Jew. Anyway, zomfg1234 is trolling and it stinks.
Tocky on 8/12/2023 at 15:19
Quote Posted by Starker
There is no Palestinian state. There is Israel and there are Israel occupied territories and there is the Gaza Strip which has been completely blockaded by Israel, leading to what pretty much amounted to a humanitarian disaster even before the mass killings of Palestinians started.
At least you admit there
is Israel. But where do you get that there are Israel occupied territories? The whole state is Israel currently. Palestinians occupy part of it. Those lines are well known. Also you well know why Gaza has been blockaded. Or do you
want them to be able to import missiles? That may indeed have worked out better this time for all concerned. Perhaps being able to fire missiles at cities in Jewish areas would pacify Palestinians? Lesser dead on all sides if it's just several missiles fly back and forth? Is that the thinking? Because you can't open borders to missile import without that happening.
Tocky on 8/12/2023 at 15:22
Quote Posted by heywood
It's still a lot harder to be a Muslim in this country than a Jew. Anyway, zomfg1234 is trolling and it stinks.
Well sure, Jews have not attacked us. Also there is the whole Judeo-Christian values thing. We don't treat our women or other religions the way Muslims do... so far.
Starker on 8/12/2023 at 15:44
Nobody here, aside of zomfg, perhaps, is supporting attacks on Israel (or jews, for that matter). But the elephant in the room right now is that Palestinians are being killed in massive, staggering numbers. According to even the most moderate estimates, more civilians have been killed in 2 months in Gaza than in 2 years in Ukraine, and, unlike Ukraine, most of them have been women and children. Children who have not been voting for Hamas 17 years ago or lying about tunnels or whatever crime warrants a death sentence these days in people's eyes. And the bombings have only been intensifying.
Not to mention there is also the West Bank, where hundreds of people have been killed, thousands have been injured and thousands more disappeared. Settlers are enacting violence with impunity, backed up by IDF, and people are being driven out of their homes with nowhere to go.
Tocky on 8/12/2023 at 16:12
You don't get to vote once a dictator is in. And there is no way to get them out if they are supported well enough. It's what I fear in the US.
And what you said is all the more reason for a two-state solution with large fences. Perhaps once Hamas is crushed another leader with concern for the people will lead them. It won't happen till then that they even get that chance.
Starker on 8/12/2023 at 16:34
Hamas is not a leader in any way shape or form. It's a gang of thugs who wield violence to rule. Among many other things, this can be seen in the way they immediately started killing Fatah members when they failed to form a government and took power by military means.
Also, if Hamas is ever crushed, which many experts think highly unlikely, that will only mean another organisation like Hamas will rise, one whose doctrine Israel doesn't know and doesn't have experience with. Maybe it will be one of Hamas's rival organisations or something completely new, but the next cycle of violence has been practically guaranteed right now. Why do you think the US and the majority of countries have been desperately urging restraint and choosing targets more carefully? I'll give you a hint: it's not out of concern for Palestinians.
And none of it solves the issues in Israeli occupied territories where violence has steadily been escalating.
zomfg1234 on 8/12/2023 at 18:57
@heywood
See, I can get my head out of my ass and see the bigger picture. I look at it, and I see Jews being awful people in the context that goes beyond this conflict. It's not just that they're murderer hypocrites who lie just about anything, they deal with usury and they push propaganda that tries to antagonize anyone who calls them out. In my country they're doing all that, but also push this view where everything belongs to them, because they were a minority killed during the Holocaust. More of my own countrymen died, but these parasites are demanding property and other priviliges, while attacking everyone who doesn't agree with them.
I don't give a fuck about your Ivy League percentages, when the actual experience reflects them being scum. Yeah, I get that in America they're idolized but everywhere else people hate them for acting like they own everything.
