RippedPhreak on 7/12/2023 at 17:19
They do know what they are supporting. In modern left-wing thought, everything is defined by an oppressor/oppressed dichotomy. If someone is classified as "oppressed" then anything they do to an "oppressor" class is morally justified. Anything at all. Thus we get the "punching Nazis is fine" mentality (where a Nazi is anyone a leftist doesn't like).
Which leads to results like: Blacks rioting, looting, setting fires and destroying property over a black man killed by police is morally correct, but some Canadian truckers sitting around honking in Ottawa is considered terrorism.
Once the left-wing hive mind decided Israelis were an oppressor class, it became morally permissible to genocide them.
Aja on 7/12/2023 at 18:12
Left-wing politics isn't entirely contained with Twitter and Tik Tok. Like, you know those people are saying extreme things to get attention, right?? No serious leftist thinker supports Hamas, at least none that I've read, and I'm a pretty regular Jacobin reader.
The truckers were rightly condemned because they're a bunch of big babies who think it's their moral imperative to spread disease because a man whose father their parents hated said that you have to be vaccinated to cross borders. The Freedom Convey is not in any way, shape, or form equivocal to police killing an unarmed black man.
RippedPhreak on 7/12/2023 at 18:18
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Left-wing politics isn't entirely contained with Twitter and Tik Tok.
Correct, it also involves physical violent mobs in the streets, which was my entire point.
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The Freedom Convey is not in any way, shape, or form equivocal
Maybe not, but when the government approves of and gives in to displays of street violence, it starts making other groups think they should use street violence to get their way. All you're really saying is "street riots are only OK when people I like do it," which is the government's view as well. But maybe that can only keep the lid on for a certain period of time.
For instance see the recent Irish riots over a little girl being stabbed by an Algerian.
Aja on 7/12/2023 at 18:39
If the cause is just, taking to the streets is justified. Smashing and looting isn't, but I wouldn't call the Black Lives Matter movement a bunch of looters because there was some looting any more than I'd call the Freedom Convey a bunch of Nazis because there were some Nazis present (although Pat King, one of the organizers, kind of is a Nazi).
RippedPhreak on 7/12/2023 at 18:41
Everyone always thinks their cause is justified.
Tocky on 7/12/2023 at 19:05
You have to read the sentences after the first one also.
RippedPhreak on 7/12/2023 at 19:12
Aja said smashing and looting was not acceptable, but then went on to excuse the smashing and looting. Since that sentence cancelled itself out, I ignored it.
Tocky on 7/12/2023 at 19:30
No. You have to read the actual words and not the shouting in your head.
Aja on 7/12/2023 at 19:39
I didn't excuse it; I said it wasn't representative of the movement as a whole.
SD on 7/12/2023 at 19:54
The phrase "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" is much less ambiguous in the original Arabic: من المية للمية فلسطين عربية, "From the water to the water, Palestine is Arab".
It's why those who assert that its actual meaning is "Palestine will be free from Jews", just as the Palestinian territories are presently Judenrein, feel pretty confident in their assertion, and take a dim view of being gaslighted.
I think this ties in with the deeper problem of Westerners only consuming what is produced for them, and being deeply unaware of what is being said to a Middle Eastern audience. One only needs to look at the difference between Al-Jazeera's English language channel and its Arabic output to know that.
