heywood on 22/9/2007 at 16:38
Quote Posted by catbarf
Say wut? I always remembered having read that originally it was supposed to be a spacewalk on the outside of the ship instead of BotM.
It's hard to imagine what the player would do on a spacewalk if there were no BotM surrounding the ships. A spacewalk might make more sense as a way to leave the BotM though.
catbarf on 22/9/2007 at 21:28
Quote Posted by heywood
It's hard to imagine what the player would do on a spacewalk if there were no BotM surrounding the ships. A spacewalk might make more sense as a way to leave the BotM though.
I thought the idea was to go outside to blow up certain points on the BotM.
Kolya on 23/9/2007 at 00:04
And where did that come from?
catbarf on 23/9/2007 at 00:37
Quote Posted by Kolya
And where did that come from?
No idea. It was a looooong time ago.
Peanuckle on 24/9/2007 at 01:56
Shooting up it's brain and jumping down the spinal column is so much cooler though.
catbarf on 25/9/2007 at 19:24
Quote Posted by Peanuckle
Shooting up it's brain and jumping down the spinal column is so much cooler though.
I don't know, I haven't played any good FPSs with convincing spacewalk bits, although Dead Space says it will have some.
Bjossi on 25/9/2007 at 20:46
Star Trek Elite Force 2 had a decent spacewalk part.
demagogue on 26/9/2007 at 20:33
Don't you people remember the space walk in SpaceQuest?
just kidding
Quote Posted by Kolya
There's always this problem with SHOBecca: If SHODAN could merge into Rebecca in whatever way, why not into Goggles?
Why not any of the NPC, or all of them? It seems she wanted to pick just one, and not have multiple copies of herself around. And once you say that, then it's just a matter of relative advantage.
At the time Rebecca got infected, Goggles wasn't done with the task she wanted him to do. And it wasn't clear until the end that he could be able to complete it and they'd win (assuming reloading isn't part of the world itself). E.g., it doesn't do her any good to infect Goggles and then he just dies in the BotM, and then there really are no other people left now that
R&C R&S are gone, the BotM is still around, the end.
But with Rebecca, her main MO is to just get off the ship, nothing to do with Shodan's first plan ... so it makes sense that Shodan chooses her as a better insurance policy while Goggles still does his thing. Shodan's Plan A is still clean up the ship and stay in control of it post-Xerxes/BotM if she can get it. She wants Goggles in the BotM going for its brain. Which means maybe she doesn't want to infect him and risk losing her avatar if he dies. And maybe she just doesn't trust herself fighting like Goggles (a trained ___) can fight.
The infection is just a Plan B insurance in case Plan A falters. Shodan could have even been pulling some strings to help R&C to get to the pods for just that reason, as if she planned it out from the beginning: Goggles to get her back in control of the cleaned ship (but maybe he'll die in the BotM, the end); else infect Rebecca and just get an avatar of herself off the ship. Goggles is her Plan A clean-up guy; Rebecca is her Plan B insurance. She might have picked
Cortez Suarez, too, but then maybe she just prefers being female.
Edit: Oh, and while Shodan might have thought she didn't want to infect Goggles before he's gone in the BotM, for the reasons I said above, she might have thought she could join with him
after he's done with the BotM, and the risk is gone. But by that point, then he's crawling around in her insides and she has to protect herself. And even then, in the final cutscene she still makes such a proposal to him, albeit at gunpoint, and he rejects it. I think Shodan would have been happy to infect Goggles post-BotM if she could have. But not before
Kolya on 26/9/2007 at 21:14
The guy's name is Suarez, not Cortez. Her's is Siddons btw, in case you want to refer to both by their family names. Seriously it took me a while to figure out who you even meant by "R&C".
The explanation is so so but a bit too long winded for such a simple question. I mean, say she had infected Goggles AND Rebecca, what then? She had multiple copies of herself anyway.
demagogue on 26/9/2007 at 22:54
Sorry, I got temporarily confused by a previous post I thought was calling him Cortez, and my memory suddenly slipped. I though it sounded wrong, too.
And I was making it up as I went along and kept making crap up ... I should have just rewritten it shorter.
I think what made the most sense was that she was just more confident in Goggle's ability to fight than her own, because of his military training, so wouldn't want to possess him and take that away until he was finished with the BotM, but by then it was too late.
Of course the real answer is that it really wasn't meant to be scrutinized so much ... because like you say Rebecca's possession really looks like a rush decision near the end of production, like the fate of all the NPCs you can run into for that matter.
