Deep Qantas on 27/3/2006 at 22:46
You could always call them "work points" (or "freedom points!") instead of "dollars". Of course it'd still be money. :p
Ultraviolet on 27/3/2006 at 23:01
Quote Posted by Deep Qantas
You could always call them "work points" (or "freedom points!") instead of "dollars". Of course it'd still be money. :p
The point here is that we, the work force, sell our bodies, time, souls to the people that own the means of production, so that those people will then have labor AND the means of production, and in return, we get to be fed like fucking pets. OWNED our whole lives, like a resource. If they find a source of free labor, meaning they don't need us to sell our lives to them anymore, then we won't have work and won't have a means of keeping alive. That means they don't need to sell us power in exchange for their getting more power from us. They can pretty much just let us die off while they live in their high-society blue-blood bullshit lifestyle thinking they've survived by divine right. You know they can afford personal security (another form of labor they contract, but those folks become rich as well) to keep us from getting back at them for waging all-out war on us and our livelihood and survival.
We don't need any gods on Earth.
D'Juhn Keep on 27/3/2006 at 23:37
why don't you just put the whole world in a BOTTLE, Ultraviolet
Agent Monkeysee on 28/3/2006 at 01:58
well this thread turned into lol marxist dialectic fast
Fafhrd on 28/3/2006 at 02:44
Quote Posted by D'Juhn Keep
why don't you just put the whole world in a BOTTLE, Ultraviolet
Red Son'd
Ultraviolet on 28/3/2006 at 03:03
I don't get it. So uh... explain it.
As for whether or not Bush is anti-capitalist, I don't fucking know because the first post is way too long and broken up and I can't really focus long enough to read it. Might try again after I'm done with this medicine.
SlyFoxx on 28/3/2006 at 03:12
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I don't get it. So uh... explain it.
It's easy. You're a whiny git.:D
jstnomega on 28/3/2006 at 03:43
Quote Posted by Rug Burn Junky
Yeah, because everybody should have the opportunity to agree to be exploited individually.
No, but because everyone should have the right to be treated as a free agent & be free to act accordingly, as opposed to the union mind-set of all-that-matters-is-time-in-grade, i.e., tenure. BS. That's The Army way & The U.S. Congress way & that way sucks.
/end rant
Back OT. As an American, I gotta wonder. How does the EU pick its crops & clean its toilets? Is the EU overrun w/illegal Mexican 'immigrants', too, or does the EU exploit some other racial/ethnic group to do its low-pay dirty work? Seriously. Or are the migrant farm workers & toilet cleaners of the EU unionized locals driving Audi A8s to & from their gated residential communities?
Rug Burn Junky on 28/3/2006 at 04:18
"Treated as a free agent" is entirely fucking useless when you have no leverage.
Are there problems with being in a union shop? Yeah, sure, I've had to deal with exactly that this year, when my wife lost her job because of retarded rules that treated someone with one month experience as senior to her because there was a two week break in her full time employment. I really don't want to hear any whiny fucking sob stories about unions, because I know firsthand the problems they can cause: it's cost us $50k this year.
But all told, without some form of collective bargaining, every worker doesn't "get treated as a free agent" and you've really got your head up your ass if you think that's the case. They get treated to the same minimum terms that the lowest worker is willing to accept. So not only do you have to negotiate against the employer, but you have to negotiate against everyone else willing to do the job, and if you honestly believe that an overwhelming majority of our workforce doesn't benefit from collective bargaining in some fashion then you have no fucking clue how negotiations work. Because the tradeoff for the stupid union rules (which may be somewhat of a hindrance) are minimum labor standards and stability which are of enormous benefit and just can not be obtained by any other reasonable means.
How anyone who isn't a corporate executive making 7 figures can be so vehemently opposed to unions on principal just boggles the fucking mind.
Uncia on 28/3/2006 at 05:23
It's the nigh dogmatic definition of "Free Market" that people use. Instead of thinking about actions and consequences they just assume that all the good things happen because of Free Market and all the bad things because of its hinderance. Hilarity ensues whenever those conflict.
