jtr7 on 24/12/2007 at 08:53
What the deuce? I knew it!:cheeky:
AxTng1 on 24/12/2007 at 22:52
OK well that worked, we bought him some Xmas beer and he went to sleep so he doesn't need to know about irony anymore.
Also lol peotry fags
Angel Dust on 26/12/2007 at 12:27
Quote Posted by Papy
That's because you don't think your wedding day should be blessed by the Gods. But some people do.
I understand that a wedding is a
very serious matter for the bride but its not in the same league as the Beethoven example. He was born with this immense talent and then later he lost the ability to appreciate that talent.
lomondtaffer on 26/12/2007 at 12:45
Dramatic irony is not that hard to understand.
It's when knowledge is shared by the audience and some or none of the actors, creating a situation where the actors are saying something or doing something that the audience understands the importance/significance of more than some/all of the actors on stage.
See ?
The simplest examples can be found in panto, as in 'IT'S BEHIND YOU !!!'
A more literary example can be found in Romeo and Juliet in the scene where Juliet and her mother are discussing her cousin's killer - Romeo. Juliet says all sorts of things that her mother doesn't 'get' about Romeo, but we, the audience understand the dramatic IRONY because we know more than Juliet's mum.
And then there's one of my personal favourites: Self Revealing Irony.
That's where someone (real or imaginary) is trying to impress people by telling or showing stuff about themselves, and the unintended result is that they show how vain/stupid/ridiculous they are instead.
jtr7 on 26/12/2007 at 21:41
Sure it's simple when you choose one facet of irony, but try to describe all of irony in a nutshell, without examples, so AxTng1, can have his wish.:p
Shakey-Lo on 27/12/2007 at 07:01
Quote Posted by lomondtaffer
Dramatic irony is not that hard to understand.
It's when knowledge is shared by the audience and some or none of the actors, creating a situation where the actors are saying something or doing something that the audience understands the importance/significance of more than some/all of the actors on stage.
See ?
substitute "characters" for "actors"
Thief13x on 27/12/2007 at 07:14
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
Trying to define dramatic irony is like trying to define humor. It can be very roughly outlined, but in the end it's something that can only be evaluated on an individual basis.
try killing two birds with one stone....irony
is humour:ebil: imo, and humour is irony
demagogue on 27/12/2007 at 09:42
Don't hold your breath for any calls from the Oxford English Dictionary editors.
I (sometimes) like the form of dramatic irony when the audience doesn't know the extra information until much later, sometimes not until the very end, so you take it at face value when you watch it, but it becomes ironic and changes its meaning later, making the scene pull double-service for the plot ... (although it tends to get overplayed these days since "twist" ends have become so trendy).
A movie like Usual Suspects is full of this; practically every other line in the movie suddenly takes an ironic form at the end, Verbal's weakness is his greatest strength, and you have to re-watch it just to soak up how entirely ironic each scene is from the start, although it all worked perfectly well the first time around at face value.
lomondtaffer on 28/12/2007 at 16:40
yeah, Shakey-lo you got me: 'charactors' instead of 'actors' and less festive wine before posting !.:nono:
Ooh, and Demagogue has put me in the mood to watch 'The Usual Suspects' again, watching carefully throughout for irony.
