Yakoob on 22/6/2009 at 09:01
Quote Posted by Ixitixl
Even without political backing, we as individuals can help... only that we generally don't care either ... When a real, nearby person is ill or dies, we feel bad... but 30000 kids dying only today - naw, that's just statistics.
See, I like to think that the helping the "nearby ill person" is exactly what the individuals should be doing to help. If everyone helped the person on the right, then everyone would have help from someone on the left.
While I do totally agree with you on the "many deaths = statistic," your anger at the fact we feel bad for a sick neighbor but ignore the dying children is a bit ridiculous. You know, if we helped the starving kids, then we have the kids who are abandoned in bulgaria. if we help those, then we have the kids with cancer. when we help those, then we have ... case in point, we can never help everyone. Yes, we do have the resources, but a dream of balancing them to help everyone is just that, a dream. we can either do what is within our reach and hope for the best, or, following your logic, crawl in a corner and die in an emo crying fits because nothing we ever do will ever be enough.
Nuth on 22/6/2009 at 10:39
What do you make of this?
From the Office of Mr. Mir Hossein Mousavi
To the President of the USA, Mr. Barack Hussein Obama:
Dear Mr. President,
In the name of the Iranian people, we want you to know that when you recently made the statement “Achmadinejad or Mousavi? Two of a kind,” we consider this as a grave and deep insult, not just to Mr. Mousavi but especially against the judgment of the Iranian people, against our moral conviction and intelligence, especially those of the young generation that comprises a population of 31 million.
It is a specially grave insult for those who are now fighting for democracy and freedom, and an unwarranted gift and even praise for Mr. Khamenei, whose security forces are now killing peaceful Iranians in the streets of every major city in the country.
Your statement misled the people of the world. It was no doubt inspired by your hope for dialogue with this regime, but you cannot possibly believe in promises from a regime that lies to its own people and then kills them when they demand the promises be kept.
By such statements, your administration and you discourage the Iranian people, who believe and trust in the values of democracy and freedom. We are pleased to see that you have condemned the regime’s murderous violence, and we look forward to stronger support for the rightful struggle of the Iranian people against the actions of a regime that is your enemy as well as ours.(
http://pajamasmedia.com/michaelledeen/2009/06/20/sunday-morning-in-iran-a-letter-from-mousavis-office/)
Product of Ledeen's imagination? Loose cannon among the people around Mousavi? Legit?
theImmortalThief on 22/6/2009 at 12:05
To anybody who's read any of his statements and letters (including yesterday's) and listened to his speeches, this letter is so obviously fake that its laughable!
Mousavi does not consider the regime his enemy and will never speak out this directly against the Leader. He considers himself a "servant of the regime", as he said in his letter yesterday. Also, directly contacting the US president will completely undermine his legitimacy with the people.
fett on 22/6/2009 at 12:39
Quote Posted by heywood
They don't need a foreign army to "save" them.
What about their oil? Doesn't their oil need saving? WHO IS GOING TO SPEAK UP FOR THE OIL? :mad:
snowcap21 on 23/6/2009 at 11:58
Glad to see that you're ok, Immortal. It's disquieting to witness (well how much you can witness it over the internet) what happened over the last week. I hope it wont get even worse as soon as the public interest dies down.
Ixitixl on 23/6/2009 at 18:14
Quote Posted by Yakoob
See, I like to think that the helping the "nearby ill person" is exactly what the individuals should be doing to help. If everyone helped the person on the right, then everyone would have help from someone on the left.
While I do totally agree with you on the "many deaths = statistic," your anger at the fact we feel bad for a sick neighbor but ignore the dying children is a bit ridiculous. You know, if we helped the starving kids, then we have the kids who are abandoned in bulgaria. if we help those, then we have the kids with cancer. when we help those, then we have ... case in point, we can never help everyone. Yes, we do have the resources, but a dream of balancing them to help everyone is just that, a dream. we can either do what is within our reach and hope for the best, or, following your logic, crawl in a corner and die in an emo crying fits because nothing we ever do will ever be enough.
No no, you got me wrong! :D
Of course we should help the neighbours and such! I was just saying that more could be done, but I know that asking for much more would be a dream. Even doing a little is doing something as opposed to nothing, and should be commended :)
nickie on 23/6/2009 at 20:44
Some (
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8113885.stm) analysis of the election results. Though what it all means is beyond me at the moment. Tomorrow, maybe, I can figure it all out. But there are some interesting figures being bandied about. And I haven't checked up on the source of the analysis so can make no comment about their reliability.
pwyll on 24/6/2009 at 00:20
Why did they kill Neda, guys? :confused:
Martin Karne on 24/6/2009 at 00:37
Irate people leaving in Iran, who could have guess that?
So in how many days Iran's regime will self destroy?
Papy on 25/6/2009 at 05:27
Quote Posted by pwyll
Why did they kill Neda, guys? :confused:
"They" didn't kill Neda. One man killed Neda. Why? Only him knows. Maybe he didn't like her haircut.
Quote Posted by Martin Karne
So in how many days Iran's regime will self destroy?
For now, there is no internal dissension and it looks like the "regime" is in control of the situation. No one knows what will happen, but it looks like the opposition will lose.
