PotatoGuy on 4/10/2009 at 22:12
Reading this thread the most named comics I see are the typical American comics (not that it's a bad thing), so I thought I'd name some who are from Europe. Don't know if you can get them over there though.
If you are going for Western Europe the best two places for comics are France and Wallonia... don't know why French speaking people and comics match but that's the way it is.
My favorite comic writer will be (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Van_Hamme) Jean van Hamme, he made many good comics like:
-Thorgal
- Largo Winch
- XIII
- Chninkel
Another great (french) comic is (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeon_(comics)) Donjon.
D'Juhn Keep on 4/10/2009 at 22:52
Quote Posted by thefonz
They're comics.
We're talking graphic novels here...
this is so pretentious
oudeis on 5/10/2009 at 02:56
Quote Posted by thefonz
They're comics.
We're talking graphic novels here...
Quote Posted by D'Juhn Keep
this is so pretentious
No, there really is a difference.
Dark Knight was an indictment of moral and social cowardice and a political screed aimed at the hypocrisies of both reflexive liberals and unthinking conservatives.
Watchmen, according to a friend much more versed in literary matters than I, was remarkable not just for its storytelling and its critiques of society, but for how completely it utilised the form. While the plot was perhaps not at the intellectual level of those two,
Kingdom Come was just a fucking kickass piece of work. Lastly, while I'll admit that
Golden Age is really just a pumped-up pulp story, it is pulp raised almost to an art form. You should check them out.
scarykitties on 5/10/2009 at 03:56
Quote Posted by dethtoll
This is the stupidest fucking thing you've ever said and considering your recent posts that's saying something. Before you judge superhero comics based on some silly ignorant idea you have about comics, try READING one or two. I suggest Batman: The Long Halloween just to get you started.
I'd point out that I didn't say, "super-hero comics suck because everyone's perfect and they're no fun," which would have warranted such a response. Instead, I offered the reason why I never tried getting into them: because the concept seems, to me, like it would be weak. I further offered that I could very well be wrong, and opened for someone to offer a counter-argument with some examples to the contrary.
The logic is sound. It's the same reason I've never tried hunting, because I think that sitting around in the woods waiting for something to walk by would be boring. It's human nature to draw conclusions prior to experience, but it's not always proof of bigotry. Some things just aren't important enough to bother, and in my case, I've managed thus far in life without the need of comic books, and I never felt a need to fill my time with them, hence me never taking the initiative to do so.
If someone has a strong argument for reading them, I'll gladly read it, though I can't guarantee that it will engage me to pursue a medium that I at present have little to no interest in. Just like how I'll listen to people talk about their quadraphonic collection but lack any interest in making one of my own.
Thirith on 5/10/2009 at 10:33
As a side-note: I greatly enjoyed the hugely weird, funny, disturbing horror manga (
http://www.onemanga.com/Uzumaki/1/02/) Uzumaki. All of it is readable online. Definitely worth checking out if you're open-minded about comics and Japanese culture.
Matthew on 5/10/2009 at 11:55
Quote Posted by oudeis
No, there really is a difference.
Dark Knight was an indictment of moral and social cowardice and a political screed aimed at the hypocrisies of both reflexive liberals and unthinking conservatives.
Watchmen, according to a friend much more versed in literary matters than I, was remarkable not just for its storytelling and its critiques of society, but for how completely it utilised the form. While the plot was perhaps not at the intellectual level of those two,
Kingdom Come was just a fucking kickass piece of work. Lastly, while I'll admit that
Golden Age is really just a pumped-up pulp story, it is pulp raised almost to an art form. You should check them out.
Wait, so Watchmen is fantastic when you stick all the issues together but when you print them singly it's not? Or am I missing something here? (Maybe you're bring sarcastic, in which case I'm sorry, but it
is Monday.)
Morte on 5/10/2009 at 16:08
(
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2009/09/29/do-anything-018-by-warren-ellis/) Rebuttal by another famous person!
Quote Posted by Warren Ellis
When Jack Kirby sat down and decided SILVER STAR was A Visual Novel, it must have affected the way he looked at the work. Must have done. Because it was the first work he devised that was intended to have a short, closed run — an actual novel, with a beginning, and, most crucially, an end.
These different operating terms can, if you invite them to, alter the way you consider the form. A graphic novel is clearly a different beast from a single, or a Picture Library, or a Sequential Art, or a Story-Strip. An Original English Manga — a funny marketing term that really just means a comic in English — nonetheless comes haloed with its own aesthetic payload. You know an Original English Manga is going to look and read a bit differently to a UKBD, even though the terms are essentially the same and both just mean “comics.”
Graphic novel communicates as well as any other term that you're looking at a fairly lengthy comics work that still has a beginning and an end.
That said, holding something as inherently superior because it falls under a more "worthy" take on the medium is idiocy.
Calvin & Hobbes might be just a newspaper strip (ignoring all the stuff it did that broke out of the syndicated strip mold) but it's still one of the best things produced in comics.
EvaUnit02 on 5/10/2009 at 16:33
Quote Posted by scarykitties
Personally, I don't read superhero comic books. I'd recommend good online comics/graphic novels with solid stories, such as (
http://drowtales.com/index.php) Drow Tales
Oh I've seen this one before. What the fuck? You're recommending that I read a fucking whorish webcomic where the reader decides what happens, meanwhile you're choosing to write off an entire genre that you haven't read, based on delusional sweeping generalisations?
Why should I take your opinion on this subject with the slightest grain of salt?
D'Juhn Keep on 5/10/2009 at 16:36
Quote Posted by Morte
Graphic novel communicates as well as any other term that you're looking at a fairly lengthy comics work that still has a beginning and an end.
That said, holding something as inherently superior because it falls under a more "worthy" take on the medium is idiocy.
Yeah, it could be a useful distinction, though a fairly ambiguous one (is an arc of an ongoing collected in a paperback a graphic novel?) I'd actually have no problem with the term if it weren't used by people who say "I don't read comics, I read
graphic novels" because they're insecure babies
