Koki on 28/7/2011 at 18:41
That's called desperation
Pyrian on 28/7/2011 at 18:49
Quote Posted by Thirith
(I mean, trenchcoats? Sunglasses?)
Trenchcoat in New York doesn't seem particularly unusual.
"And
don't tell me you're going to wear sunglasses on a night mission!"
"My vision is augmented."
...Okay, yeah, I'm pretty sure that qualifies as a lampshade. :D
EvaUnit02 on 28/7/2011 at 21:43
Obvious answer:- DX1 was a post-Matrix Cyberpunk work, hence the specific fashion.
Koki on 29/7/2011 at 05:43
Well, if you wanted to hide your glowing blue eyes I'd say sunglasses are a pretty good choice. Plus they're good for remaining anonymous in general.
Trenchcoat is similarly useful for hiding a GEP gun, a sniper rifle, and assault rife, a shotgun, and a hundred of lockpicks, multitools, medkits, bioelectric batteries and flares :p
Thirith on 29/7/2011 at 08:31
Quote Posted by EvaUnit02
Obvious answer:- DX1 was a post-Matrix Cyberpunk work, hence the specific fashion.
Do tell... The obvious reply is: Exactly.
DX1 went for a stylistic choice that wasn't motivated by a narrow concept of realism. The same should be fair game for
DX:HR. Judging it by saying it's not 100% realistic says something about the tastes of the person judging the stylistic choice but very little about the thing itself.
Papy on 29/7/2011 at 10:29
Quote Posted by Thirith
You're obviously welcome to your opinion, and it's fair not to like the video - but this question makes me think you either don't get what speculative fiction and sci-fi do or you've got such specific requirements of the genre that it excludes the majority of what the genre produces.
My point was I wonder what is the opinion of other people. When someone says transhumanism will become reality, I wonder what they think will effectively become reality. I find the discussion potentially interesting, but if people don't explain what they envision and simply keep saying a word which is nothing more than a vague and mostly undefined concept, it's very difficult to have an interesting discussion.
I interpreted the video linked by Subjective Effect as the basis for the discussion. The idea presented was that, in the future, people will replace some of their body parts with prosthetics for the simple reason of having better physical capabilities. For example, some people will choose to amputate their (perfectly normal) legs and replace them with some piece of technology in order to run faster. That's the idea that I'm disputing. Nothing more. It's not about the stylistic choice, it's about the idea and I'm saying that "natural" will always have more value than performance. So I'm saying that people will not choose to amputate their body simply for better performance.
Of course, if your idea of what transhumism will be is different than what was shown in the video, than obviously I'm not disputing it because I don't know what your idea is.
As for speculative fiction, I'd say that every book I read was a lot more descriptive than what the video here shown, so I don't understand your comment saying that my requirements are too specific. Except for some parts which are only for aesthetics or to carry a sense of wonder and mystery, speculative fiction is very descriptive. Can you give me an example of a book on speculative fiction which pretend to be about a future reality and which does not describe with concrete example what it is talking about?
henke on 29/7/2011 at 11:54
Quote Posted by Papy
I know my answer is not politically correct, but the sad truth is there is almost no chance at all I will ever fall in love with a girl who had her legs amputated.
Way to avoid answering the question.
Quote Posted by Papy
For example, some people will choose to amputate their (perfectly normal) legs and replace them with some piece of technology in order to run faster. That's the idea that I'm disputing.
Oh is that what you've been going on about this whole time? I that case we are in agreement. You made it sound like you didn't think transhumanism was going to happen at all in your first post.
heywood on 29/7/2011 at 22:19
Well, what do you think transhumanism means? A rough definition is using technological means to reduce aging and enhance human physical or cognitive capabilities. In sci-fi, the common interpretation of transhuman is the human cyborg.
Nightcaper on 1/8/2011 at 22:30
Quote Posted by Papy
Let's imagine two girls. Both are beautiful, both are intelligent, funny and kind, but one of them chose to have both her legs cut off and replaced with prosthetics simply because she wanted to run faster and jump higher. So all other things being equal, with which girl will you choose to spend the night with? The one who's able to run faster because of those great mechanical legs or the one who's pure flesh and bones?
Maybe I'm a hippy who live in a bubble, but only the idea of feeling those mechanical legs during sex will turn me off and the fact that she can run fast won't help me at all get in the mood. But hey! I'm sure some people are into that sort of things...
Okay, I know I'm way late for this, but I still have to throw this out there:
You're using mechanical augmentation as an example. That is very inaccurate, as there are more developed forms of augmentation than just mechanical. What if that girl who was thinking of getting the mechanical augmentation, instead got nano augmentation? You wouldn't even notice the difference.
I don't take any side of the argument, if we advance, we advance. However, I can't stand such ignorant examples like that, because that's a major bias. Some people, in the future, or possibly even now (no conspiracy theories please), might be augmented and you wouldn't even know it.
So please, don't go on such a blatantly one-sided example. Open your minds and consider both sides of this debate.
