Jason Moyer on 29/4/2024 at 16:07
He embraced QAnon, which is just the same old antisemitic bullshit under a different name.
Azaran on 29/4/2024 at 16:07
Use of hyperbolic language is a deliberate strategy to drown out other voices.
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79% of Jewish Americans feel close to Israel.
77% say Hamas's cause is not valid.
72% say Israel makes them proud to be Jewish.
62% approve of the way Israel is conducting the war.
And the few Jews who were protesting the war or calling for a ceasefire have gone silent.
To be fair, Jews are a heavily persecuted minority and without justifying the excesses of Israel, I'm sure many are naturally drawn to defend their homeland, which is surrounded by enemies.
And certain types of criticism are often used as a cover to justify hate. So antisemites will claim to be 'anti zionists', or only critical of Israel, and then use fascist jihadi parlance in their protests.
Tangentially related. A few years ago a US university held a conference against 'Hindu nationalism'. Hindus were upset as they suspected it would be used to fuel hatred against them. And what do you know, it turned into a discussion on how Hinduism and Hindu nationalism were linked, and the effort should instead focus on destroying Hinduism (while also peddling the falsehood that Hindus are not persecuted). Can you imagine if a university helpd a conference on Islamism, and talked about dismantling Islam? They'd have a civil war on campus in no time
RippedPhreak on 29/4/2024 at 17:40
QAnon was a hoax put on by 4chan trolls, just people constantly posting that certain elements of the permanent unelected government bureacracy such as the FBI or CIA were going to be arrested "any day now."
SD on 29/4/2024 at 17:48
The overwhelming majority of Jews are Zionists, because they more than anyone know the consequences of being a nation without a country. Israel was reestablished in 1948. Had it been a decade earlier, who knows how many millions of lives could have been saved.
Today's Columbia University 'protestors' scream "Go back to Poland" at American Jews. In Nazi Europe they used to scream "Go back to Palestine", before deciding that murdering them all was easier.
But between Israel ceasing to exist, and Israel existing again, there was more than two millennia of genocide, persecution, and all-round oppression against Jewish people. Antisemitism didn't spring magically into being in 1948, or when Trump got elected, or when Israel retaliated against the October 7th atrocity. It was always there. Those events just emboldened people to say what they were already thinking.
heywood on 29/4/2024 at 18:48
There have always been neo-Nazi groups in the US, but for 60+ years they mostly remained in the shadows and on the fringes. Jews have not been heavily persecuted here in my lifetime. My point about Trump was that he made it possible for people to espouse their hatred of Jews and other groups without the shame and guilt that had kept it bottled up. It started in 2017 with Trump's response to Unite the Right and snowballed from there. In my part of the country, Patriot Front popped up in 2017 and NSC-131 popped up in 2019. They are both very public and they are getting bigger. They hold marches and rallies, hang up signs, distribute leaflets, hang banners from roadway overpasses, and they recruit at Trump rallies and alt-right events.
Now thanks to Gaza, we've have antisemitism growing on the left as well.
SD on 29/4/2024 at 19:35
Antisemitism and, indeed, other forms of racism, have always been a feature on the left, as well as the right. Marx made a number of prejudiced statements about Jews, even though he was descended from rabbis on both sides of the family. Engels despised Slavs, referring to them as "barbarians". Ethnic minorities in the Soviet Union were oppressed and deported en masse. There's nothing in left-wing politics that stops it being tarnished with racist views, particularly if a certain race or ethnicity is perceived as enjoying some kind of privilege.
Azaran on 29/4/2024 at 19:44
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Ethnic minorities in the Soviet Union were oppressed and deported en masse
And let's not forget (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors%27_plot) this
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The "doctors' plot" (Russian: дело врачей, romanized: delo vrachey, lit. 'doctors' case') was a Soviet state-sponsored antisemitic campaign and conspiracy theory that alleged a cabal of prominent medical specialists, predominantly of Jewish ethnicity, intended to murder leading government and party officials.
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Soviet historian Samson Madievsky has advanced a view, based on various memoirs and secondary evidence, that the doctors' plot case was intended to trigger the mass repression and deportation of the Jews to the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, similar to the deportations of many other ethnic minorities in the Soviet Union, but the plan was not accomplished because of the sudden death of Stalin.[47]
According to Louis Rapoport, the alleged deportation was planned to start with the public execution of the imprisoned doctors, and then the "following incidents would follow": "attacks on Jews orchestrated by the secret police, the publication of the statement by the prominent Jews, and a flood of other letters demanding that action be taken. A three-stage program of genocide would be followed. First, almost all Soviet Jews ... would be shipped to camps east of the Urals ... Second, the authorities would set Jewish leaders at all levels against one another ... Also the MGB [Secret Police] would start killing the elites in the camps, just as they had killed the Yiddish writers ... the previous year. The ... final stage would be to 'get rid of the rest.'"
heywood on 29/4/2024 at 21:30
Yes, I'm aware of how Jews were treated in the USSR because the majority of Jews in the Boston area seem to be Soviet expats or children of them. Nearly all of the Jewish friends and coworkers I've had in this area are.
RippedPhreak on 30/4/2024 at 12:07
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There have always been neo-Nazi groups in the US, but for 60+ years they mostly remained in the shadows and on the fringes. Jews have not been heavily persecuted here in my lifetime.
Decades ago, America was filled with, well...Americans. These days we've brought in millions of people from countries where Jews are hated. They bring those ethnic feuds and hatreds with them, teach it to their children and...here we are. The more immigration we have from the middle east and Africa, the less safe American Jews will be. Same process is happening in places like France, but even faster:
(
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/french-jews-fleeing-country) https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/french-jews-fleeing-country
Jeshibu on 30/4/2024 at 16:48
Quote Posted by RippedPhreak
Decades ago, America was filled with, well...Americans. These days we've brought in millions of people from countries where Jews are hated. They bring those ethnic feuds and hatreds with them, teach it to their children and...here we are. The more immigration we have from the middle east and Africa, the less safe American Jews will be. Same process is happening in places like France, but even faster:
(
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/french-jews-fleeing-country) https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/french-jews-fleeing-country
We should eject hateful people from the country, so I'm sorry but there's no more place here for you.