SD on 31/7/2025 at 21:23
So, these are the UN's own figures for aid delivered into Gaza in the last 10 weeks. You won't see these in the mainstream media, for reasons that will soon become apparent.
Here is the link so you can independently confirm for yourselves: (
https://app.un2720.org/tracking/)
Let me post what it says here for posterity.
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The following is a breakdown of aid movements into Gaza from 19 May to 31 Jul 2025.
Offloaded - in any of the crossings along Gaza's perimeter:
40,012 tonnes
43,943 pallets
2,137 truck loads
Collected - from crossing points along the Gaza perimeter:
27,434 tonnes
29,885 pallets
2,010 truck loads
Arrived at the intended destination:
4,111 tonnes
4,202 pallets
260 truck loads
Intercepted during transit:
23,353 tonnes
25,703 pallets
1,753 truck loads
So, of the aid that Israel facilitates into Gaza.
- only 68.6% is actually collected
- 58.4% is intercepted, mainly by armed gangs [=Hamas]
- only 10.3% actually makes it to its destination
And this is Israel's fault? It's Israel's fault that Hamas steals most of the aid? It's Israel's fault that barely a tenth of the aid it delivers into Gaza actually ends up with the people who need it?
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
heywood on 31/7/2025 at 22:05
There is nothing on the UN dashboard that says or suggests that Hamas steals most of the aid. That is your hypothesis.
My hypothesis is that most of the aid doesn't make it to its originally intended destination because of stoppages, blockages, and closures by Israel. It's not so easy or safe to travel around Gaza.
Starker on 1/8/2025 at 04:38
Contrary to SD's fantasies, Gazans are not "enjoying extravagant desserts in the numerous cafes" and are indeed starving, as much as Israel and SD try to deny it. A skeletal child also having cerebral palsy is not proof that the child is not starving, for example. And even if it wasn't for the numerous pictures showing emaciated adults, children, and babies, just simple math shows how dire the situation is:
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/31/the-mathematics-of-starvation-how-israel-caused-a-famine-in-gaza)
The mathematics of famine are simple in Gaza. Palestinians cannot leave, war has ended farming and Israel has banned fishing, so practically every calorie its population eats must be brought in from outside.
Israel knows how much food is needed. It has been calibrating hunger in Gaza for decades, initially calculating shipments to exert pressure while avoiding starvation.
“The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,” a senior adviser to the then prime minister, Ehud Olmert, said in 2006. An Israeli court ordered the release of documents showing the details of those macabre sums two years later.
Cogat, the Israeli agency that still controls aid shipments to Gaza, calculated then that Palestinians needed an average minimum 2,279 calories per person per day, which could be provided through 1.836kg of food.
Today, humanitarian organisations are asking for an even smaller minimum ration: 62,000 metric tonnes of dry and canned food to meet basic needs for 2.1 million people each month, or around 1kg of food per person per day.
As Gaza has slid into famine this summer, Israeli officials have variously denied the existence of mass starvation, claimed without evidence that Hamas steals and hoards aid, or blamed hunger on UN distribution failures, sharing pictures of aid pallets awaiting collection inside the border.
They pointed to deadly and chaotic food distributions by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, a US and Israeli-backed logistics startup, as proof that Palestinians had access to food.
Yet data compiled and published by Israel's own government makes clear that it has been starving Gaza. Between March and June, Israel allowed just 56,000 tonnes of food to enter the territory, Cogat records show, less than a quarter of Gaza's minimum needs for that period.
Even if every bag of UN flour had been collected and handed out, and the GHF had developed safe systems for equitable distribution, starvation was inevitable. Palestinians did not have enough to eat.
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Inline Image:
https://i.imgur.com/CIfrI8O.pngAlso, yes, there are indeed armed gangs in Gaza, but armed gang does not automatically mean Hamas, as Israel has been arming gangs in Gaza:
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/05/israel-accused-of-arming-palestinian-gang-who-allegedly-looted-aid-in-gaza)
Israel's government has been accused of arming a Palestinian criminal gang whose members have allegedly looted humanitarian aid, in an apparent attempt to counter Hamas in Gaza.
Satellite images and videos verified by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz showed on Thursday that a new Palestinian militia has expanded its presence in southern Gaza, and is operating inside an area under the direct control of the Israel Defense Forces.
The group, which has also been accused of ties to jihadist groups, is reportedly led by a man known as Yasser abu Shabab, a Rafah resident from a Bedouin family, known locally for his involvement in criminal activity and the looting of humanitarian aid.
According to media reports, Abu Shabab's group, which calls itself the “Anti-Terror Service”, consists of about 100 armed men who operate in eastern Rafah with the tacit approval of the Israeli armed forces. It has variously been described as a militia and a criminal gang.
The Times of Israel cited defence sources who said that Israel provided members of Abu Shabab's faction with Kalashnikov assault rifles, including some weapons seized from Hamas. The operation was approved by Israel's security cabinet and prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the newspaper reported, noting that its article had been approved for publication by Israel's military censor.
In a video posted on social media late on Thursday, Netanyahu said Israel had “activated” some Palestinian clans in Gaza, on the advice of “security officials,” in order to save lives of Israeli soldiers.
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And even the US government itself has concluded that Hamas has not been systematically looting aid:
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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/usaid-analysis-found-no-evidence-massive-hamas-theft-gaza-aid-2025-07-25/)
WASHINGTON, July 25 (Reuters) - An internal U.S. government analysis found no evidence of systematic theft by the Palestinian militant group Hamas of U.S.-funded humanitarian supplies, challenging the main rationale that Israel and the U.S. give for backing a new armed private aid operation.
The analysis, which has not been previously reported, was conducted by a bureau within the U.S. Agency for International Development and completed in late June. It examined 156 incidents of theft or loss of U.S.-funded supplies reported by U.S. aid partner organizations between October 2023 and this May.
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Nicker on 1/8/2025 at 05:22
Quote Posted by RippedPhreak
Assholes Sans Frontières are just liberal activists, they have zero credibility at this point.
When it comes to zero credibility I must defer to your personal expertise and experience.
RippedPhreak on 1/8/2025 at 11:52
Did it ever occur to you that MSF has to parrot the Hamas line or they wouldn't be able to operate in the region anymore? Hamas might even kill them if they say anything that contradicts Hamas.
Nicker on 1/8/2025 at 15:46
Oh! Do you mean like religeo-fascists are holding everyone hostage while the wage their ideological, one-state final solution war which can never be won by either side?
But please, you or SD can explain how your one-state solution works. We have been waiting for months to hear all about it but not a fuckling peep.
RippedPhreak on 1/8/2025 at 16:04
Nice dodge and deflection.
Starker on 1/8/2025 at 17:15
So how exactly did Hamas after nearly 2 years of relentless bombings and eradication gain the power to have pretty much every international organisation and numerous governments "parrot the Hamas line"? And how do they manage to manufacture these emaciated people and children we see on the photos and videos, if Palestinians are actually eating luxurious desserts in their numerous cafes, as SD claims?
Here's a bit from a recent statement by UK, Japan and a number of other countries:
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint-statement-on-the-occupied-palestinian-territories)
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The suffering of civilians in Gaza has reached new depths. The Israeli government's aid delivery model is dangerous, fuels instability and deprives Gazans of human dignity. We condemn the drip feeding of aid and the inhumane killing of civilians, including children, seeking to meet their most basic needs of water and food. It is horrifying that over 800 Palestinians have been killed while seeking aid. The Israeli Government's denial of essential humanitarian assistance to the civilian population is unacceptable. Israel must comply with its obligations under international humanitarian law.
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SD on 3/8/2025 at 15:03
Quote Posted by Nicker
But please, you or SD can explain how your one-state solution works. We have been waiting for months to hear all about it but not a fuckling peep.
You may want to read a history book. It's the Palestinians who want a one-state solution, which is why they've rejected the opportunity for a two-state solution on more occasions than I can remember.
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And how do they manage to manufacture these emaciated people and children we see on the photos and videos, if Palestinians are actually eating luxurious desserts in their numerous cafes, as SD claims?
To be clear,
I don't claim anything. I simply report what I see on instagram, TikTok and the like. Happy to supply links to the cafes, restaurants etc if required.
I don't think anyone has claimed that emaciated people don't exist - although given the proliferation of AI images and images from other conflicts on social media, perhaps not in the numbers claimed - only that (a) Hamas are responsible for the starvation and (b) presenting photos of children with serious pre-existing genetic conditions as formerly healthy is not honest.
Starving and emaciated people exist in every country on the planet. Here are a few from this country, one of the richest on the planet.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-65577541)
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/feb/28/man-starved-to-death-after-benefits-cut)
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/apr/21/stephen-smith-liverpool-seriously-ill-emaciated-man-denied-benefits-dwp-dies)
The UK, like Palestine, also has one of the highest obesity rates on its continent, so in the UK it is absolutely not lack of food which is the issue.
Starker on 4/8/2025 at 01:47
As you can see even from the numbers supplied by Israel itself, there has not been enough food entering Gaza to sustain the population, as Israel only allows a small fraction of aid to enter Gaza. Also, by all accounts, the food packages allowed in are woefully inadequate, lacking things such as baby food and essential nutrients that the body needs such as potassium.
Emaciated people can exist in other countries, but they are fairly rare and there are numerous pictures and videos coming out of Gaza. And it's not just the photos -- volunteering doctors from abroad have testified that there has been a sharp increase of children and adults treated for severe malnutrition in hospitals of Gaza. Also, if the photos and videos are fake, which by all appearances they don't seem to be, how can you be so sure that your luxurious dessert eaters are real Palestinians?
The hypothesis that Hamas is somehow being responsible for the famine doesn't explain how doctors and nurses have lost weight, as volunteering doctors from abroad have said about their colleagues. If all doctors and nurses in Gaza are Hamas members and Hamas steals most of the food, why isn't Hamas feeding their own people then? And doesn't this make Hamas an easy target for the IDF, if they have to come out to steal a significant number of the hundreds upon hundreds of daily food deliveries necessary to keep 2 million people alive?
But all this aside, at the end of the day it's still Israel who controls the amount and type of aid it allows into Gaza and as the occupying power they are directly responsible for the health and well-being of the Gazan people. There is no justifyable reason whatsoever to restrict and confiscate baby formula, for example.