Subjective Effect on 22/2/2025 at 15:25
No Israel shouldn't. They don't. That happens because there's a war on not because they do it.
Nicker on 22/2/2025 at 15:27
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You're filth.
Still not getting the central theme here. Still pretending that all the horror is only coming from one side. Still ignoring the obvious truth right before your eyes.
And you have the gall to call others filth because they refuse to share your blindness.
Starker on 22/2/2025 at 15:28
They shouldn't and they do. There being a war on doesn't justify mass bombing of civilian areas, schools, hospitals, etc. And it doesn't justify blocking crucial aid from reaching the disaster areas.
Nicker on 22/2/2025 at 15:32
And Likud has been quietly "disappearing" Palestinian children for decades, for throwing rocks at tanks or being in the same family as an alleged terrorist.
Yes, Hamas are monsters. So are Likud. Why is that so fucking hard for you to get?
Subjective Effect on 22/2/2025 at 15:51
Yeah, I don't like either but I think they are worlds apart. "For throwing rocks at tanks" , yeah whatever. Evidence?
Nicker on 22/2/2025 at 16:07
So quietly murdering children is OK?
"Disappearing" children has been a part of the West Bank Occupation Plan since day one. Destroy the homes, destroy the orchards, vanish the next generation, now the land is un-occupied. A miracle! Thanks Yahweh.
Starker on 22/2/2025 at 16:10
Just open your very basic Wikipedia:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict)
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Most prosecutions of teenagers concern stone-throwing which is an offence under Section 212 of Military Order 1651, and carried a penalty of up to 10 years imprisonment, theoretically applicable to children between 14 and 15. Conviction for throwing anything at a moving vehicle with intent to harm carries a maximum penalty of 20 years.
The analysis of cases monitored by UNICEF identified examples of practices that amount to cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment according to the Convention on the Rights of the Child (ratified by Israel in 1991 and the PA in 1995) and the Convention against Torture. It is common for many children caught up in the system to be aggressively woken in the middle of the night by many armed soldiers and, tied and blindfolded, transported to Israeli settlements or official interrogation centers. Few children are informed of their rights to legal counsel, or their right to avoid self-incrimination. Confessions from children are extracted by a mixture of sleep-deprivation, threats -of death threats against them or their families, sexual assault and solitary confinement- and physical violence. Confessions to be signed are often written in Hebrew, which most Palestinian children do not know. Once the interrogation is finished, the children, in leg chains, shackles and prison uniforms, are taken before a military court where their confessions, extorted under duress, form the primary evidence for the prosecution.
But it gets worse. Much worse...
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In February 2024, an American doctor returning from the Gaza Strip wrote an op-ed in the Los Angeles Times stating that she had witnessed children being deliberately targeted by Israeli snipers, writing, "On one occasion, a handful of children, all about ages 5 to 8, were carried to the emergency room by their parents. All had single sniper shots to the head... None of these children survived." A Canadian doctor returning from a week in Gaza stated she had seen crimes against humanity, including small children "dying of hunger, bombs, sniper shots." Israeli drone footage released in March 2024 showed Israeli snipers killing an unarmed boy in Jabalia. In April 2024, doctors said they were seeing "a steady stream of children, elderly people and others who were clearly not combatants with single bullet wounds to the head or chest."
Dr. Mark Perlmutter, an American doctor working in Gaza, stated Israeli snipers were targeting children, stating, "No toddler gets shot twice by mistake by the 'world's best sniper.' And they're dead-center shots." In August 2024, an American doctor returning from Gaza stated, "We had kids shot in the chest and shot in the head - in other words, clearly deliberate, clearly targeted". In October 2024, The New York Times reported compiled testimony from 44 doctors, nurses, and paramedics who treated multiple cases of preteen children with gunshot wounds to the head or chest in Gaza. Inquiries sent to the IDF regarding the experiences of these health care workers received a statement from a spokesperson that did not directly confirm whether investigations into the shootings of preteen children had been conducted or if any soldiers faced disciplinary action for firing at them. In response to claims alleging that the report was based on "fabricated evidence", The New York Times issued a statement defending the integrity of the piece, emphasizing that it had undergone rigorous editing and verification, including consultations with experts and the use of supporting photographs, which they deemed "too horrific for publication."
Starker on 22/2/2025 at 16:33
Just to be clear, Hamas and other terrorist Palestinian organisations have certainly committed horrific atrocities towards innocent civilians that can't be described as anything less than a war crime. There is no excuse or justification for such actions and me pointing out atrocities on the Israel's side in no way diminishes what Hamas has done or makes them less culpable.
heywood on 22/2/2025 at 18:58
You don't need to keep explaining that. Everyone here understands. There is no point wasting your time arguing with the most consistently disingenuous poster ever on TTLG. I suggest ignore.
Starker on 22/2/2025 at 20:17
Honestly, I very rarely ever put people on ignore unless they both:
1) are abusive
2) have absolutely nothing to contribute
I don't know if Subeff really ticks the first box, since his attempts to insult me have been pathetic more than anything else and seem to stem from a lack of arguments, but the second part is certainly true.