DuatDweller on 29/2/2024 at 21:45
Are you suggesting that we should condemn Israel for reacting to attacks in their soil, and so by the same standards we should condemn Russia for reacting to Russian ethnic population attacks by Ukraine inside Ukraine itself?
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Because from this side seems that both are making criminal attacks on people.
Or not?
Ukraine is also in rubble.
So when is Israel doing it is bad, when is Russia doing it is ok?
Personally I would like both to stop, but is out of my control.
Starker on 29/2/2024 at 21:52
Why do you think the mass killing of civilians can be justified in either case?
People are not condemning Israel for reacting, they are condemning Israel for inflicting massive casualities on civilians.
DuatDweller on 29/2/2024 at 22:05
Well like I said, even if I shouted, got enraged, protest, they ain't gonna stop.
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Netanyahu's allies include an array of ultranationalist and religious parties with a list of grievances against the court.
His allies have called for increased West Bank settlement construction, annexation of the occupied territory, perpetuating military draft exemptions for ultra-Orthodox men, and limiting the rights of LGBTQ+ people and Palestinians.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israels-high-court-strikes-down-key-law-netanyahus-controversial-judicial-overhaul-plan/)
Starker on 29/2/2024 at 22:42
Just some additional context for the idea that people receiving aid must be fat and thriving:
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/29/more-than-a-hundred-dead-after-israeli-troops-opened-fire-near-aid-trucks-say-gaza-officials)
More than a hundred Palestinians were killed in the early hours of Thursday morning, Gaza health officials said, when desperate crowds gathered round aid trucks and Israeli troops opened fire, in an incident that the US president, Joe Biden, warned was likely to complicate ceasefire talks.
There were starkly different accounts of how the victims died in the chaos that took place near Gaza City in the north of the strip. Israel's military denied shooting into large crowds of hungry people and said most were killed in a crush or run over by trucks trying to escape. Soldiers only fired at a small group that moved away from the trucks and threatened a checkpoint, a spokesperson said.
Witnesses and survivors described bullets hitting crowds around the aid trucks, and Mohammed Salha, acting director of the al-Awda hospital, which treated 161 casualties, said most appeared to have been shot.
Gaza health officials said at least 112 people were killed and 280 injured after Israeli forces opened fire on an aid distribution point. The Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, said it was an “ugly massacre conducted by the Israeli occupation army on people who waited for aid trucks at the Nabulsi roundabout”.
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The death toll from Israeli attacks on Gaza has now passed 30,000. With more than 70,000 others injured, and thousands more uncounted victims buried under the rubble of collapsed buildings, nearly one in 20 of the prewar population of Gaza are now casualties of attacks.
The US defense secretary, Lloyd Austin, said earlier on Thursday that more than 25,000 women and children had been killed by Israel since 7 October 2023, adding that Israel could and should do more to protect civilians.
The survivors are stalked by hunger, with “pockets of starvation” reported particularly in the north, and widespread malnutrition that has already killed some children. There are also severe shortages of medical supplies, clean water and shelter.
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It was not clear who had supplied the trucks of food. The UN agency for Palestine, Unrwa, has not sent an aid convoy to northern Gaza since 5 February, when its trucks were attacked by the Israeli navy even though the delivery had been approved for transit. Lerner said he did not know who sent the aid.
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DuatDweller on 29/2/2024 at 23:03
"Oh it was a stampede! And some shots but nothing really serious."
SD on 4/3/2024 at 12:37
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The enduring fantasy that 30,000 of them have been killed since October?
It's a war. People die in war. Thought you should know.
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Also, the idea that Palestinians are fat and thriving off of the abundance of Western aid cannot be described as anything else but a poor attempt at black humour
Palestine has one of the highest obesity rates in the Middle East. Palestinian women are fatter than American women!
Of course, this doesn't fit with the Open Air Concentration Camp™ canard, because we've seen photos of people in real concentration camps, and the obesity rate there was 0%. And there were no swimming pools.
Aja on 4/3/2024 at 15:35
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It's a war. People die in war. Thought you should know.
A war in which one side's casualties are 20 times the other.
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Palestine has one of the highest obesity rates in the Middle East. Palestinian women are fatter than American women!
Of course, this doesn't fit with the Open Air Concentration Camp™ canard, because we've seen photos of people in real concentration camps, and the obesity rate there was 0%. And there were no swimming pools.
Obesity is indicative of malnutrition, not a high standard of living. The most obese Americans are generally the poorest, too.
RippedPhreak on 4/3/2024 at 17:30
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A war in which one side's casualties are 20 times the other.
This is not relevant. In a war, one side is under no obligation to make sure their casualty numbers match the enemy side's casualties.
Starker on 4/3/2024 at 20:04
It is relevant, if the casualties consist largely of civilians, the majority of whom are women and children. If nothing else, it means you are waging war on women and children.
Starker on 4/3/2024 at 21:30
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Obesity is indicative of malnutrition, not a high standard of living. The most obese Americans are generally the poorest, too.
Exactly, but SD has a child's understanding of poverty. He thinks when there is a luxury hotel somewhere, then the area/country cannot be poor and that obese people must be wealthy.
Meanwhile, the food insecurity issues in Gaza are well-documented:
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1.5 million people have been food insecure over the 2019-2021 triennium. More recent data from the MSNA survey conducted in 2022 points to a percentage of 33.6 per cent of the population (or about 1.8 million people) being moderately or severely food insecure (of which 2.2 per cent would be in the SDG ‘severe' category). The national average hides significant differences, with a prevalence of 24 per cent in the West Bank and 75 per cent in the Gaza Strip.
