Subjective Effect on 3/2/2025 at 11:25
So what do you think the outcome of all this should be?
What's your solution?
SD on 3/2/2025 at 14:02
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
People approaching those fences aren't taking presents of hummus and falafel.
Something that most people never grasp about those fences is that they are located well inside Israel's borders. If someone is at the fence, they have already breached the border. Anything that happens after that is a real FAFO moment.
Qooper on 3/2/2025 at 22:18
Quote Posted by heywood
It is kind of the point of this thread.
The point of this thread isn't to talk about religion. In fact I was the one who started the original thread, which was named 'Israel attacked by Hamas'. This thread was created because some thought the name of that other thread wasn't suitable.
Quote Posted by Starker
Frankly, I don't think Israel can have a winning strategy either. It's a colonial project that seems to be doomed to fail due to its very nature and is likely fated to be trapped in endless cycles of violence, doing the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result.
How can you call Israel a colonial project? That is a bold twisting of historical facts. There were Jews living in Judea before the British mandate, along with Arabs. Before 1948, Jews bought land from Arabs and in 1948 declared that land Israel. Not a single piece of land was taken from the Arabs, it was bought. Jews forming the nation of Israel on land that they legally own is not colonialism. Then, in the wars that Arab nations started between 1948 and 1967, Israel got land, because it won those wars. Israel even returned some of it! To hostile Islamist nations the problem is the existence of Israel, not the non-existence of a Palestinian state.
Pyrian on 3/2/2025 at 22:54
Quote Posted by Qooper
How can you call Israel a colonial project?
So, Britain agreed to help the local Arabs against the Ottomans and then betrayed them and conquered the land for themselves. Subsequently, they began moving large numbers of Jewish immigrants there. Then, the new arrivals took over by simply declaring themselves as a new state and performed a massive ethnic cleansing to get rid of most of the Arab population. How the eff is that anything other than colonial?
SD on 4/2/2025 at 01:53
Quote Posted by Pyrian
So, Britain agreed to help the local Arabs against the Ottomans and then betrayed them and conquered the land for themselves. Subsequently, they began moving large numbers of Jewish immigrants there. Then, the new arrivals took over by simply declaring themselves as a new state and performed a massive ethnic cleansing to get rid of most of the Arab population. How the eff is that anything other than colonial?
This is a really twisted view of history you have. What books have you been reading?
The British did everything they could to stop Jews immigrating to Judea. Who knows how many lives could have been saved had Jews been allowed to escape there during WWII. It took Jewish paramilitaries to force the British to abandon their hold on Mandatory Palestine and turn the situation over to the UN.
The "new arrivals" didn't "take over" or "simply declare themselves as a new state". The region was partitioned between the two populations by the United Nations, because, true to form, the Arabs wouldn't tolerate a Jewish presence there. The partition was accepted by the Jews and rejected by the Arabs (not for the first or last time) and so we have the situation we have today, with the population of Israel - including a significant Arab minority - enjoying prosperity in their portion, and the Palestinians seething because they still want the lot.
But, look, we know why you use the word "colonial". You want to paint returning natives as alien interlopers. It's as transparent as it gets.
DuatDweller on 4/2/2025 at 07:10
Why did you go live there anyway, do you love non welcoming committees and harsh life conditions to boot?
Subjective Effect on 4/2/2025 at 10:52
60% of Israelis are native - Miszrahi Jews or Israeli-Arabs.
The other 40% are refugees. Many refugees from the worst atrocity in the history of humanity.
But no, that's "colonial". And for some reasons Jewish refugees, who just escaped the horrors of the Holocaust, didn't deserve compassion. But you lefty loons will die for the recent illegal immigrants to your countries that aren't even proven refugees or asylum seekers.
Starker on 4/2/2025 at 11:08
Again, how is building settlements in occupied territories not colonialism?
Subjective Effect on 4/2/2025 at 12:20
Are you talking about the West Bank again?
