Nicker on 17/1/2025 at 04:17
I guess a pause in the cyclic-centuries of serial violence is a blessing.
Starker on 17/1/2025 at 06:37
Any pause in fighting means there's a possibility of saving tens of thousands of lives from starvation, disease, hypothermia etc. Or at least alleviating the worst conditions somewhat.
Nicker on 17/1/2025 at 14:01
You are right about that. I think it all starts to feel abstract after a while. So many man made tragedies all around the world. It can be fatiguing.
Subjective Effect on 18/1/2025 at 07:38
Aaaaaaaand the new leader of Hamas has praised the Oct 7th attack and is promising another Oct 7th.
But Israel is the problem. Rite, guys?
Starker on 18/1/2025 at 09:55
And how does the collective punishment of ordinary people help the situation exactly? How does killing children with bombs, disease and famine benefit Israel? The answer is it doesn't. It helps Hamas.
Nicker on 18/1/2025 at 17:18
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But Israel is the problem. Rite, guys?
Likud/Israel is one part of the problem, as is Hamas, as are many other selfish actors on all sides, trying to exploit the situation. The only difference is that Likud doesn't say the quite part out loud, unlike the ham-fisted goons of Hamas.
Every time you repeat your vacuous trope you reveal that you either cannot understand the distinction between anti-Semitism and criticism of Likud or that you willingly chose to ignore that clear distinction, which is baked right into the title of this thread - "Innocent People in the Middle East, Victimized by Fascist Theocrats."
Unless you are implying that Gazans are not people? Then your utterances make perfect sense.
Subjective Effect on 22/1/2025 at 22:15
If the Palestinians rejected violence forever more... there would be peace.
If Israel rejected violence forever more... there would be a massacre of Israelis, mostly Jews, in an absolute orgy of thrilled violence and enjoyment.
This is all we need to know.
Starker on 22/1/2025 at 22:32
Again, how does killing children with bombs, disease and famine help keep peace?
demagogue on 22/1/2025 at 22:32
There will be violence as long as Palestinians don't have nationality and equal status in a state. It's the lesson of every resistance movement in modern history. The violence never stops until the equal rights come. When equal rights come, the violence (substantively) stops. Look at Northern Ireland, South Africa, the US South, Muslims in South and Southeast Asia, ethnic conflicts throughout Africa... I could point to another dozen cases where violence is still going on after decades because unequal status of the out-group continues.
If Palestinians rejected violence forevermore and nothing else happened, they'd still be living under apartheid-like conditions forevermore, and people living under apartheid-like conditions eventually break.
If Israel gave them equal rights, there would be peace.
Do you know how we know? Because there are about 2 million Palestinians with Israeli citizenship, and there is no conflict with them. They're literally the same people.
Nicker on 23/1/2025 at 04:02
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If Israel rejected violence forever more... there would be a massacre of Israelis, mostly Jews, in an absolute orgy of thrilled violence and enjoyment. This is all we need to know.
You don't actually "know" that. That's your lopsided opinion stated as fact.
Rejecting violence doesn't mean being defenceless, it means not using violence as a means to your ends. You seem to approve of Likud violence but not Hamas violence and yet you pretend to be objective even as you repeatedly apply your double standard.
PEOPLE in Israel and PEOPLE in Palestine ere equally victims of the two different scales and flavours of violence perpetrated by Hamas AND Likud. Why do you insist that the violence is only one sided, that there are only one set of victims and one perpetrator? That is simply not the case.
