Starker on 18/10/2024 at 14:39
The Israelis in question cheer on Gaza being bombed. They don't care who dies there. They explicitly say that civilian casualties don't bother them. The idea that they are cheering on only the deaths of Hamas among the victims is patently ridiculous. They are cheering bombs hitting a city, regardless of the civilian casualties, which were known to be exorbitantly high even way back then, but have grown to staggering proportions today.
Subjective Effect on 18/10/2024 at 17:14
Come on Tomi, your comprehension isn't that bad. I was saying so what to when the article is from. Jesus.
SD on 18/10/2024 at 18:08
I think it's awfully easy for people in the comfortable West to get up on their high horse and frown at people who are enjoying a bit of catharsis. Nobody here knows what it's like to have an air raid shelter in the garden, to be under constant threat from rockets, to have to run regular bombing drills, to have to keep gas masks just in case. Please, live under those conditions for 10 or 20 years, then tell me how wrong those expressions of relief are.
Tomi on 18/10/2024 at 21:12
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
Come on Tomi, your comprehension isn't that bad. I was saying so what to when the article is from. Jesus.
Fair enough, apologies for the mistake. However, you continued your post with "they are still cheering a battle with Hamas", so I'm still not sure how exactly I'm supposed to read you.
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I think it's awfully easy for people in the comfortable West to get up on their high horse and frown at people who are enjoying a bit of catharsis. Nobody here knows what it's like to have an air raid shelter in the garden, to be under constant threat from rockets, to have to run regular bombing drills, to have to keep gas masks just in case. Please, live under those conditions for 10 or 20 years, then tell me how wrong those expressions of relief are.
If you're referring to me, I think you're missing my point a bit here. I thankfully don't know what it's like to live in constant fear of bombs and air raids and whatever, but I do get it why the Israelis are feeling hatred towards the Palestinians, even though it's not exactly fair as the ordinary Palestinians haven't done much wrong. My point is that I find it very hypocritical that the Israelis and IDF are seen as some paragons of morality (like Starker said) even when they break all sorts of international laws and commit acts that would be called terrorism if the other side did the same. Hell, recently they've been attacking UN peacekeepers in Lebanon, and still there are people who think that they're just being the good guys here.
Let's reverse the roles again. Nobody here knows what it's like to live under the Israeli occupation (try living 20 years in these conditions and in constant fear of getting shot or beaten up by Israeli soldiers, etc.), but I also don't see
anyone here justifying the terrorism from the Palestinians' side. Still, it's not very hard to see
why it's happening. Of course the violence has to stop from the Palestine side, but there'll never be any real progress unless Israel stops doing whatever they've been doing so far. Both sides have a good reason to fear for their lives, but the following graph shows the difference between the two worlds:
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https://i.ibb.co/FJ7w9p3/3384502012.jpgSubjective Effect on 18/10/2024 at 22:51
The graph represents the difference in military capability, that's all. It doesn't represent the desire to kill kill kill.
If 50 drunk football fans tried to take on Mike Tyson 1 on 1 because he's black, you'd have 50 unconscious racists.
But in your mind Mike Tyson would be the bad guy. Look! He knocked out 50 people and didn't get knocked out once :laff:
Starker on 18/10/2024 at 22:58
It's especially striking as history is full of examples where Israeli extremists have been celebrated and cheered on. Baruch Goldstein, for example, was a terrorist who is venerated to this day. Not only did Israelis dance and cheer on the mass murder at the time, decades later people still celebrate the anniversary of the massacre and even dress up their children as Goldstein. And it's not just a bunch of nobodies either who venerate this guy -- the current Israeli minister of national security had Goldstein's portrait on his living room wall.
Hell, 10% of Israelis think he's a national hero: (
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-733523)
Tomi on 18/10/2024 at 23:30
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If 50 drunk football fans tried to take on Mike Tyson 1 on 1 because he's black, you'd have 50 unconscious racists.
But in your mind Mike Tyson would be the bad guy. Look! He knocked out 50 people and didn't get knocked out once :laff:
Eh? Nope. If Mike Tyson is Israel in your comparison, and the Palestinians are these drunk and racist football fans (nice comparison btw), then Mike Tyson would ask his pals to join him, and they'd hunt down all fans of that football club, because they're
all potential racist and drunk hooligans. They'd burn down the home stadium of the club and all the houses around it too, because they could be football fans as well. It's likely that these people don't even care about football, or maybe they support another club, but it's better to be safe than sorry, eh?
Afterwards Mike's friends and family and Subjective Effect all pat him on the back for a job well done. Mike thinks that he'll be safe now that the football hooligans are dead and goes for a celebratory drink with his pals, but little does he know that the lonely pub a few blocks away from the burnt football stadium is actually a popular meeting place of these football fans. The word spreads and soon the whole football community knows that Mike and his pals are major c*nts.
I think Mike could have handled this situation better, and now he'll always have to watch his back wherever he goes. However, the only way he tries to sort out the problem is to repeat the same mistakes and keep banging his head against the wall like an idiot. Sadly, he's also a very big and strong idiot.
SD on 19/10/2024 at 01:16
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Hell, recently they've been attacking UN peacekeepers in Lebanon
UNIFIL has one job - to disarm Hezbollah. How's that going, do you think?
UNIFIL has not just failed to enforce Resolution 1701 in the eighteen years since it was passed by the UN Security Council, it has actually allowed Hezbollah to significantly expand its arsenal.
If it then permits Hezbollah to fire at Israeli troops from a position next to its command post, and a few of their so-called peacekeepers get injured in the crossfire, then I'm afraid I have very little sympathy. They should have done their job in the first place, because now the IDF is going to do it for them, and their methods are a little more hands-on.
Incidentally, you will love their excuse for why they did not investigate the Hezbollah tunnel constructed within spitting distance of their base - they're "not allowed" because it's "private property". You couldn't make it up.
But, yes, "Israel has been attacking UN peacekeepers", if you ignore absolutely every shred of context.
DuatDweller on 19/10/2024 at 02:16
I don't know where the UN were before that, oh yes Haiti, and now look how badly messed up is Haiti right now, somehow the UN doesn't give me any confidence.
Subjective Effect on 19/10/2024 at 05:22
So Tomi, you think that Hamas, with their charter to kill all Jews worldwide, are being unfairly compared to drunk racists? Lol.
But that wasn't my comparison anyway.
The point of my post was to say - you can't tell who the bad guy is just by looking at the results. At the end of WW2 Germany was occupied by several nations. Were they big meanies bullying poor ickle Nazi Germany?
