demagogue on 30/10/2007 at 00:12
Quote Posted by Swiss Mercenary
Das Kapital came in 1867, so that's closer to the mark.
I'd also put Mein Kampf up there.
If you were to identify the writings that had the biggest
practical influence, you might even say instead of Marx's work (Probably only a relative few people were read Kapital) was Lenin's 'What is to be Done', which was the influential writing in generating on-the-ground support for the bolshiviks, which actually made good on overthrowing a gov't.
And instead of Mein Kampf, even more influential on-the-ground was probably Goebbels' propaganda campaign, which kept the population from revolting while the clouds of war grew.
If it is considered "media", I'd add Einstein's scientific articles of 1905 ... which in a few papers paved the way to relativity, quantum theory, overthrowing Newton, the atomic age, nuclear weapons, Hiroshima, Cold War fear
For the US 60's social revolution, I'd say that Walter Conkrite's news broadcasts of Vietnam were most influential to fueling the bitter anti-war movement, which in turn was the real teeth to the social revolution, which colors practically everything in our culture these days.
Martin Luther King's "I have a dream" speech, which was filmed and aired on tv, is the iconic event of the US civil rights movement that gave it a face.
Kolya on 30/10/2007 at 01:26
Quote Posted by raph
Francis Scott Fitzgerald
Bob Dylan
Marry me in the Netherlands.
Malygris on 30/10/2007 at 04:16
Quote Posted by Starrfall
Oh no you didn't Terminator 2 is by far the superior film
You are so fired.
Ko0K on 30/10/2007 at 05:35
Why only 1870 and on? I maybe going out on a limb here, but it's almost as if Tolstoy's "War and Peace," which came out in 1869, is deliberately being excluded.
BEAR on 30/10/2007 at 05:46
Quote Posted by Starrfall
Oh no you didn't Terminator 2 is by far the superior film
I agree, but he didnt seem to think it qualified so I thought I would try to sneak it in.
D'Juhn Keep on 30/10/2007 at 09:50
Quote Posted by Starrfall
Oh no you didn't Terminator 2 is by far the superior film
She's totally right you dicks
Starrfall on 30/10/2007 at 14:16
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
But it had a kid who could "hack". :mad: Minus 755 points for that.
It came out in 1991 and thus the use of hacking is defensible because they didn't know better yet! Hacking in movies didn't reach its unfortunate peak until the mid 90's.
Quote Posted by Scots Taffer
the sequel was a catchphrase/pop-culture ridden, action franchise complete with androids with feelings and some of the coolest action sequences brought to the big screen.
Remove one word and you've identified why it's better! If I'm going to watch a movie about futuristic robots who despite being super advanced tend to fail at their simple assassination jobs I WANT catchphrases, pop-culture, and the coolest action scenes ever.
The_Raven on 30/10/2007 at 16:41
Huh? Apparently, I'm not the only one who thinks that Terminator 1 is far superior to Terminator 2. The sequel was really just a hodgepodge of ideas left over from the first movie. The sad thing is that my favorite thing about Terminator 2 is the original introduction that was never filmed.
Why do I think the first movie is superior to the second? Here are some of the problems I have with the second movie:
* Less emphasis on the predestination paradox that made the first movie so compelling.
* Action sequences seem to be shoehorned into the movie.
* More emphasis on teenager and fish out of water shenanigans. :eww:
* How does the T-1000 go back in time? It was heavily emphasized that only organics/cyborgs can go back; and don't give me that "mimetic poly-alloy" cop-out explanation.
* Skynet was destroyed; where did it find the time to send back two assassins? or three, for that matter?
Just to be fair, I'll mention my favorite thing about Terminator 2 that is actually in the movie: completing Sarah Connor's transformation into the tough-as-nails "mother of the future."
NEXT WEEK: Why Alien is superior to Aliens.
Infidel on 30/10/2007 at 19:47
Quote Posted by Swiss Mercenary
Das Kapital came in 1867, so that's closer to the mark.
I tried to name those that were on the beginning of an impact and I think for communism that goes to the Manifesto.
Quote:
I'd also put Mein Kampf up there.
I think Goebbels' use of new technologies, like radio and TV broadcasts, had more influence than that book. Think about the 1936 Olympics, which were the first live television coverage of a huge sports event.
BTW, what a peculiar thread: Half of the participants discuss 19th century literature, the other half tries to decide if Terminator 1 or 2 was the better movie.
