Briareos H on 7/9/2006 at 07:11

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Why make a feedback powered detonating weapon when you can use all this FREE ENERGY(PATENT PENDING) to power cool looking lasers and all sorts of awesome stuff ?

Anyway being chosen to test it makes no sense unless this means you have control over the testing conditions and can investigate every in / out during any amount of time.

Finally, as it has already been mentioned, it his highly dubious that people calling themselves "scientists" would get such publicity and create a prototye without publishing anything beforehand.
Count me interested though.

Nicker on 7/9/2006 at 11:43

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Did this make sense when you wrote it because it sure doesn't now.



Yeah, not much on the web about that and I can't find the book references to it off hand so how about I substitute the more recent "there's no such thing as plate tectonics" for the moment?



Labeling alert.



More semantics. Scientists are people too and prone to prejudice. Displaying a prejudice does not totally disqualify them as scientists it just means they aren't particularly good ones, at least not in their approach to particular theories that they have a vested interest in.

The authorities, acting on behalf of the papacy, who claimed to represent hard science in Galileo's time, refused to look through the telescope at the moons of Jupiter. This isn't some sort of persecution paranioa (Galileo Complex, if that's what you mean by that) - it an event in science history.

Things that seemed impossible a generation ago are commonplace today and history teaches us that scientific truth doesn't always win out, at least not immediately. It may require the dying off of the old guard.

History also shows us that scam artists and a gulible public are a match made in heaven. Whether this device is the former or the latter will be shown in due time. If you feel the need to declare now, by all means do so. I am content to wait and see.

Agent Monkeysee on 7/9/2006 at 15:51

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The medieval papacy could claim scientific authority all it wanted. That doesn't mean it actually did anything resembling scientific work or had anything like the notion of scientific truth in mind.

This isn't remotely like some superstitious prejudice against rocks falling out of the skies. The assumptions that the heavens were perfect was based on little more than Aristotelian fanboyism; it certainly had nothing to do with having a falisfiable scientific theory based on physical evidence that precluded the notion of "space rocks". And even if it was there was ample physical evidence present everywhere that it happened. There is no evidence anywhere that any engine can exceed (or even attain) carnot efficiency. If we even had a working theory, let alone a physical model, that said this was possible the entirety of the physical sciences would already have been overhauled. This isn't discovering that the crawlspace under your house contains pirate treasure. This is discovering that the land on which your house is built is actually a cosmic turtle and that your house is a colony organism from Dimension Nutbar that uses your brain power to communicate with the Chorus of the Crystal Firmament and you are a numinous nebula nymph who dreamed he was a man.

The great thing about crazy-ass claims like this is if there was actually anything to them it would be grotesquely obvious. It wouldn't be languishing in a "well it hasn't been peer-reviewed yet" internet limbo. It would be on the cover of everything ever because it is That Big a Fucking Deal.

We know a HELL of a lot more now about some very fundamental things and I'm telling you you have an engine that generates more energy than it consumes you have literally overturned the entire foundation of the physical sciences. This isn't "well we've never seen it before so maybe it's possible", this is "everything we've ever discovered everywhere always tells us this is impossible". We're talking beyond Newton, beyond Maxwell, beyond Einstein, Heisenberg, and Bohr. You've discovered the means to bring about Utopia. To control or even violate causality. We're talking real Neo-whoa-I-control-the-Matrix shit. You have a lever to move the Universe. This is beyond scientific revolution. This is a reality revolution.

And some podunk little outfit in Ireland discovered it using some crummy steel and magnetic contraption? No. No they didn't. Exceeding carnot efficiency is the motherfucking discovery of discoveries, maybe second only to discovering God himself. If there was anything to this the social, political, and scientific implications would already have been reverberating over the entire planet by now. This would literally solve all our problems ( except maybe all the waste heat we would now be dumping into the atmosphere :sweat: ).

dvrabel on 7/9/2006 at 17:03

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I endured the first 30 mins -- up to the point where the speaker slandered the important research carried out by Heinrich Hertz -- and gave up in disgust.

Mortal Monkey on 7/9/2006 at 20:56

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Or maybe they got a letter from the military :tinfoilhat:

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