fett on 29/5/2008 at 01:19
It's good to hear that the Jackson/Walsh/Boyens team is onboard for this - I guess I'd missed that somewhere. Just saw Pan's Labyrinth (finally) and have to say I have high hopes for this. Does anyone know specifically if Ian Holmes will reprise his role as Bilbo? I liked his take on the character in the LOTR movies, but not sure if he'll do as the main character for an entire movie...
[insert cool name here] on 30/5/2008 at 03:20
I may have missed this in this thread (apologies if so), but is Ian McKellen going to be back?
Moi Dix Mois on 30/5/2008 at 09:31
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It's good to hear that the Jackson/Walsh/Boyens team is onboard for this - I guess I'd missed that somewhere. Just saw Pan's Labyrinth (finally) and have to say I have high hopes for this. Does anyone know specifically if Ian Holmes will reprise his role as Bilbo? I liked his take on the character in the LOTR movies, but not sure if he'll do as the main character for an entire movie...
GDT has said he wants Ian Holm back in a narrators capacity, but he won't be playing Bilbo in 'person' as it were. GDT and PJ apparently both have the same actor in mind to take the role, but they're being awfully coy about it. Not suprising since they haven't started pre-production yet.
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I may have missed this in this thread (apologies if so), but is Ian McKellen going to be back?
Of course, he's said he would be even before the film was announced. As for the rest of the cast; Liv Tyler has said she'd buy her own ticket to NZ and Viggo Mortensen has been 'approached'. He's said before how much he enjoyed his role, so I wouldn't bet against him coming back. Both of their characters will presumably be necessary for Film 2.
fett on 30/5/2008 at 13:28
If the 2nd film covers the time between Hobbit and FOTR, those three would have to be involved (Tyler being the possible exception, but it would give them a chance to flesh out Tolkein's appendices a bit more which are generally better than the last 2/3 of the entire series...).
Moi Dix Mois on 30/5/2008 at 14:28
Well in the online chat GDT said he wanted to focus on a specific event in those 60years, rather than make it a 'documentary' of the entire time period.
Then, just yesterday on the TORn mesage boards he made a post saying that Biblo will probably be in Film 2 as well as The Hobbit, which should narrow things down a bit, but just makes them more confusing to me because well:
2951 is a pretty eventful year - Sauron declares himself openly, Gollum goes to Mordor, Aragorn kills loads of Orcs, learns his true heritage from Elrond, meets Arwen and wanders off into the Wild.
No mention of Bilbo though, and Aragorn wouldn't meet Gandalf for another 5 years.
From 2957-80 Aragorn is prancing around Middle Earth alone under various assumed names. I'm not sure how relevant those events would be to Film 2, since they don't involve any other major characters. I want to see the attack on Umbar though.
The hunt for and capture of Gollum didn't take place until 3009, and I know that GDT mentioned wanting Gollum to have a larger role than just Riddles In The Dark.
The problem as I see it is that no one of these events seems worthy of a whole film, they're all very spaced out in time and none of them seem to involve Bilbo. I know he visited Rivendell a few years after The Hobbit, but I'm not sure when.
Even the White Council's attack on Dol Guldur wouldn't take up a whole 2-3 hour film. I think eventually they'll smoosh a few of the above events together and use a bit of artistic license to say they all happened around the same time.
Which is fine by me.
edit: Apparently the main contenders for Bilbo are James McAvoy, Daniel Radcliffe and Jack Black.
I think I'll stab myself if Jack Black of Daniel Radcliffe get it.
James McAvoy though. I can see it, maybe:
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v736/thecatface/bfmac.jpgThirith on 30/5/2008 at 14:55
I could also imagine John Simm - he's got similarly sharp eyes as Ian Holm.
fett on 30/5/2008 at 16:22
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Well in the online chat GDT said he wanted to focus on a specific event in those 60years, rather than make it a 'documentary' of the entire time period.
Then, just yesterday on the TORn mesage boards he made a post saying that Biblo will probably be in Film 2 as well as The Hobbit, which should narrow things down a bit, but just makes them more confusing to me
Yeah, that's quite puzzling. The significant events of that era (Umbar, Dul Guldar, Aragorn's coming of age, Sauron, hunt for Gollum, etc.) don't involve Bilbo in the least. Maybe Ian Holm will only narrate these events ala Kate Blanchett in LOTR?
Still, it's hard to imagine any of those events squashed together in the same film without it feeling like a documentary. It could possibly follow the development of Gandalf and Aragorn as events relate to LOTR, in true prequel style ala Star Wars/Qui-Gon, Padme, etc. This was a problem with the screen adaptation of LOTR where the ridiculously expansive timeline of the books just wouldn't translate well, so I wouldn't be surprised if they find some way to crunch some of these events together in a somewhat historically strained cause/effect relationship.
Regardless, I enjoyed Ian McKellan and Vigo Mortensen in their respective roles - excellent casting - and wouldn't mind seeing them reprised in any context Jackson thinks is tenable. He's already proven fairly respectful of the source material, so it's not too difficult to give him the benefit of the doubt here.
heretic on 30/5/2008 at 17:40
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edit: Apparently the main contenders for Bilbo are... Daniel Radcliffe and Jack Black.
No f'n way..
Next up : Christopher Walken plays Gandalf and Steve Buscemi plays Aragorn. The part of Gimli being somewhat of a no-brainer shall be filled by none other than one Danny Devito.
..and Burton shall direct har har
Moi Dix Mois on 10/11/2008 at 11:57
There has been some minor discussion about the structure of the two films from Guillermo himself on LoTR forums:
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Well- As I said before, EVEN when you lay out the cards fro the story beats contained within the book (before even considering any apendix material) the work is enormous and encompasses more than one film. That's why we are thinking of the TWO INSTALLMENTS as parts of a single NARRATIVE. That's why I keep putting down the use of a "bridge" film (posited initially). I think the concept as such is not relevant anymore. I believe that the narrative and characters are rich enough to fit in TWO films.
From Japan (then NZ)
GDT
Current planning seems to be that Film 1 will contain The Hobbit up to and including the death of Smaug, while Film 2 concerns the Arkenstone, Battle of Five Armies, the return to the shire and then focuses on the transition between The Hobbit and LoTR.
fett on 10/11/2008 at 13:05
That would work really well IMO. They could also start Sauron's and the Nine's search for Gollum in the second one.
And congratulations to you for bothering to search for this old thread instead of making a new one. :thumb:
