KingAl on 11/10/2006 at 12:58
Pah! Languages? Just write it straight into machine code!
MorbusG on 11/10/2006 at 13:02
Rubyrubyrubyruby RUBYYY :D
It has a cool logo.
Much cooler than others. :cool:
Mucca on 11/10/2006 at 13:30
Quote Posted by ignatios
Hahaha, okay. You don't know what you're talking about, but okay.
You're right, I'm unfamiliar with Smalltalk, and in fact my question on what it offers over Ruby was honest, as at first glance Ruby seems more expressive and powerful. I took the environment as being the interactive learning environment originally brought up by ZylonBane, but I see now you mean the live debugger development system. Hmm. Interesting. Sorry for dragging this out. I'll shut up now.
Go Haskell!!!
Schattentänzer on 11/10/2006 at 13:41
Quote Posted by Vigil
Along with them constantly bitching about the quality of their coworkers' code, this is the reason I avoid getting programmers started on talking about programming.
Would any other entry-level subject on the internet offer
this much conflicting, subjective and largely useless personal advice?
Guilty as charged. I admit that I just wrote what
I found usefull on the way.
I will say this then:
- Find a language your comfortable with.
- Spend a lot of time with it.
- Peek into stuff by others to get ideas you didn't have before.
Agent Monkeysee on 11/10/2006 at 15:26
Quote Posted by Mucca
What does Smalltalk offer that Ruby doesnt?
Your mom.
Languages are nothing. You learn one you can learn them all. What you need to know are the underlying principles. The data structures. The algorithms. The notions of complexity and computation. The design patterns. That's what makes a good programmer. Proficiency with a single language is useless if you don't know what makes good code and what makes good code is independent of what language you use.
SD on 11/10/2006 at 17:17
Hey, can we get some opinions from female programmers?
Ulukai on 11/10/2006 at 17:59
I've known two female programmers.
One was a bat-shit crazy tree-hugging hippy who used to burn incense in the office and have crying fits, the other was well-adjusted and a good woman to know. Although about 20% of her variable names contained inexplicable placement of swearwords.
Agent Monkeysee on 11/10/2006 at 18:16
There were plenty of women in the CSE department I went to. I would go so far as to say it was about 60/40 men/women. Interestingly though the women were mostly Asian, Asian-American, or Russian while the men were mostly Anglo-Americans.
Para?noid on 11/10/2006 at 22:00
screech.
Not that STD knows who I'm talking about but he's only in this thread to stir up shit as usual hehehe :o
newphase on 11/10/2006 at 22:29
Quote Posted by Renegen
hey guys, there's a lot of able programmers here and I thought of asking the question to you. Recently and relunctantly I've decided to study programming, my major in university is economy but I'm doing this on my own time and I need some guidance. I've taken some programming VB classes all the way back in high school and did a few stupid programs so I understand the basics as well as how a computer works generally, but what will I need to do to 'get it'? Programming is a lot more than remembering the syntaxes. What's the best way to eventually get there, books and any wise words?
I wish you all the best luck in your programming adventures :D
