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heretic on 11/4/2008 at 18:35
Quote Posted by Ghostly Apparition
Edit: I kind of object to the term illegal alien, Where did that term come from? They're not from outer space are they?
I don't know if that was a joke or not, but alien means foreign or citizen of another country. Illegal means broke the law by coming to be here.
Immigration does not reserve the term alien for illegals alone, there are resident aliens and even permanent resident aliens. Objecting to a term that is non-derogatory to begin with is just frivolous, and skirts the issue. There
should be negative connotation attached to a word to describe any such group, regardless of intent or team-balkanization's protests. Although the numbers differ dramatically, there are illegals from nearly every country on Earth. What other term would be more fitting/less offending while still serving to describe them all?
phide on 11/4/2008 at 18:44
Quote Posted by Stitch
There is an argument to be made that blanket terms like "illegals" dehumanize a demographic group of
people and feed the narrow perspective of zealots like phide.
I'm a zealot because I believe in the rule of law, am I?
Funny -- I don't recall calling you anything. Make your arguments without resorting to childish name-calling if you can
possibly manage. In the context of this discussion, labeling me a "zealot" is offensive.
I appreciate you not directly labeling me as a racist, though. Thanks a whole heap.
Quote Posted by Stitch
The current level of vitriol powering the anti-illegal immigration side of the debate is ridiculously racist.
No, you're quite wrong. This is about policy, law, enforcement of law and national security. Race is not relevant to anyone except those who wish to make the argument that anyone adamantly against illegal immigration is racist. You're just playing the race card here, my friend (tisk-tisk).
Quote Posted by Stitch
Look at Arizona, where legal immigrants and hispanic citizens have been mistakenly targeted and dark-skinned people have had the legality of their status randomly questioned by strangers.
Racial profiling is legitimate from the standpoint of practicality (though I'm not sure what goal ordinary citizens have when questioning people about their immigration status, and I don't really understand nor condone that).
Frankly, if someone decided to walk up to me and ask me if I were illegal, I'd just say "nope" (I'm white, for reference). It's no skin off my back, is it?
Stitch on 11/4/2008 at 19:12
Quote Posted by phide
In the context of this discussion, labeling me a "zealot" is offensive.
I consider your zealotry offensive, so I guess we're even.
Mortal Monkey on 11/4/2008 at 19:17
Quote Posted by Ghostly Apparition
I realize the vast majority are just here for the jobs and to try to make a better life. Who can blame them? But the reason I noted that particular incident is that the murder could have been prevented had the police done their job.
Yes. Why did it have to be one of us? He could even have done us all a favor by killing off a few mexicans.
<hr width="40%" />USA #1
phide on 11/4/2008 at 19:26
Quote Posted by Stitch
I consider your zealotry offensive, so I guess we're even.
I should think only an illegal immigrant would find my political stance offensive. Hmm.
Hmm, I say again.
SubJeff on 11/4/2008 at 19:44
YOU GOT HIM
homeland security paged
AR Master on 11/4/2008 at 19:58
Quote Posted by phide
I should think only an illegal immigrant would find my political stance offensive. Hmm.
Hmm, I say again.
OR A COMMUNIST
Nice try, Ivan Miruenez, but that shit doesn't fly in the land of the free home of the brave USA #1 never forget these colours don't run when they're not being tread on apple pie
Stitch on 11/4/2008 at 20:19
Quote Posted by phide
I should think
This would be a step in the right direction!
For the record, you will always lose any debate due to your sheer inability to comprehend any view other than your narrow own, a weakness which also played no small part in the development of your abhorrent views on illegal immigration.
Ghostly Apparition on 11/4/2008 at 20:56
Quote Posted by Mortal Monkey
Yes. Why did it have to be one of us? He could even have done us all a favor by killing off a few mexicans.
<hr width="40%" />USA #1
See, this is where preconceived notions are a troubling thing. He actually did kill a Mexican. A Mexican-American, a person of Hispanic descent born and raised here, as were his parents. Just because the person killed was of Mexican descent doesn't make it any less tragic does it?
I'm starting to see stitch's point, there is a lot of racism involved in the anti-immigration problem. Did you know for instance that not all illegal immigrants are Mexicans? Shocking I know but none the less true.
I am just as against a Canadian, British, Scottish or (pick a country) entering this country illegally as I am against the ones from south of the border.
In fact, most of the illegals I know aren't even from Mexico, but from other countries even further south such as El Salvador and Columbia.
Edit: To Heretic, the illegal alien comment was a joke. I do know what the term means and in no way need to have it explained to me. But, thx anyway.
Starrfall on 11/4/2008 at 21:13
Quote Posted by phide
No, you're quite wrong.
You compared crossing a border without permission with sex crimes and so you have no credibility.
