Thirith on 12/9/2011 at 06:48
@dethtoll: It helps to think of some posters as an advanced sort of SatireBot.
Painman on 12/9/2011 at 08:52
And cheapass brandy (well sorta cheapass, E&J @ 23-25 bucks for a 1.75L bottle) is the best booze in town. Tastes alright, fucks you up, doesn't hose you too bad in the morning. Mixes great with OJ, GJ, cola or ginger ale. Or Polar Orange Dry, or Squirt.
Basing your opinions upon the opinions of others is the ultimate form of weaksauce.
Fish Le Brown on 12/9/2011 at 09:27
Quote Posted by dethtoll
Do you guys want a snifter of brandy to go with those smoking jackets? Jeez.
I mean just listen to yourselves. You're basically saying you're smarter than everyone else because they only go for what's popular. You make criticisms of people who shout down anyone with a dissenting opinion, but you do the exact same thing here where your opinion isn't that much of a minority. Next you'll be saying you liked Modest Mouse before they were cool and wearing lensless glasses and skinny jeans. It's embarrassing. Stop before you hurt yourselves.
i would say the people who didn't enjoy dxhr are pretty much the minority. but denying that is denying a fact - since this is what you tend to do, there is no sense in trying to argue with you.
btw i don't know, if i am smarter than you - but i don't share your peer mentality. the only thing you do, is bringing up personal insults and some flouting. of course it took only a few hours for some of your cronies joining in, it's exactly the thing which always happens with your kind.
embarrassing? no, i don't think so. it's just pointless since there are too many of you, but that never kept me from anything. the main problem is: you just can't cope with yourself, that's why you seek out the majority. together you people, who just hate themselves, can mutually give each other some kind of virtual self-respect by lampooning others - let me guess: you where one of these guys who mobbed s.o. back in your school time... of course you did, but that's what one would expect. dunno if i am smart, but i know one thing for sure: you are not.
mothra on 12/9/2011 at 10:34
just put him on ignore like any sensible person should do. Or endure the sad pain and feel superior. at this point you should have realized he is only here for "this", not to participate or post anything thread-related, it's always poster-related. if you provoke him or answer he is just going to follow you around on the board like a hungry dog.
to get to your post: hmm, not enjoying is a harsh word for that game. I liked it - partly - and think it's a good game for this day and age (means: besides all the brainless FPS) but fails to live up or surpass its predecessor. All they introduce new into the game is either unnecessary (hacking minigame) or alters the gameplay completely (I win-button, 3rd person stealth). Oc the production values are insane and much better than in DX1 but on the other hand also completely out of place for the DX universe and make no sense in a prequel at all. Many references and hints don't make a good game, even the other way around: it reminds you of how much better those other games, movies were and how shallow and repetetive the "discussion" of those themes in DXHR is.
june gloom on 12/9/2011 at 16:53
Fish le Brown and mothra united in stupidity! Stop the fucking presses!
Pyrian on 12/9/2011 at 23:23
Quote Posted by Papy
Do you understand now why I said that hype can transform indifference into hate?
That was quite an essay, Papy, but what it boils down to is "Yes, dethtoll, you're absolutely right that I hate these games precisely because other people like them."
Your Bioshock experience is precisely why I can't take all this nitpicking seriously. For one thing, I solved the vita chamber problem by merely reloading whenever one activated. It wasn't difficult. But, more fundamentally... It demonstrates very clearly that you, and probably most of the people giving over-the-top whining about DX:HR, have some quite major failings in the areas of perspective and self-awareness. And
that in turn means that the "nitpicks" are almost entirely meaningless information. Would person A have absolutely loved the plot they're complaining about if they'd simply unbound the cover button so they couldn't use it in-game? I don't know, but it's quite possible. If one little easily-solvable thing can spill over into and ruin the rest of the experience, how can anyone trust your opinion of any single given feature?
When I read about people selling every single gun accessible from a vendor, to the point of running back and forth, back and forth, over and over again, who then complain that the game is boring and they get too much money, well. If someone is determined to ruin their own experience in a (sort of) sandbox, what can you really do about it?
mgeorge on 13/9/2011 at 03:53
People do tend to "follow the leader" when it comes to game reviews. With the lead taken by the majority of the sites reviewing games. However every now and then a game will come out that the critics liked and the majority of gamers didn't. And IW is a good example of this. Most reviewers liked it and Metacritic gives it an average score of 84 which isn't to shabby. Personally I think that score is about right. Deus Ex got an average score of 90 with Metacritic, which I think is to low. I would put it in the mid 90's personally.
So what happened with IW? Well, sites like TTLG, (God forbid!), and other hard core fans and sites starting spreading the word over the net that the game was crap and the thing kind of snowballed. Kids that had never even heard of the original took these sites and fans at their word and started spewing more hate. Now it's got a rep as a horrible game which it wasn't really.
Now along comes HR and the same thing is starting to happen again.
Deus Ex is in my humble opinion one of the best PC games ever made and although I wouldn't put IW in the same category I still found it a fun game and better than most. I mean how many FPS/RPG's do we get? Not many. Not enough as far as I'm concerned.
Human Revolution though? I'm really on the fence with this one even though I'm not all that far into it. Just like the original the AI is either ridiculously smart or incredibly stupid. And when I say smart, I don't mean in an intelligent way. If you're spotted even in the corner of the eye of one of the AI's, every person within a mile of you knows exactly where you are, which may be challenging but not realistic. Seems to me, so far at least, that many of the augs are pretty much useless as well, and I don't like the 3rd person melee, as for me it breaks immersion.
However there certainly are some good things about it as well. I was pleasantly surprised when I used the jump aug to get somewhere just to see if I could, and was awarded XP for just trying. I like the hacking and multiple routes, (although so far not nearly as many as the game touts), and the general atmosphere of the game is great.
To this point it hasn't grabbed me the way the original did when I played it, and I highly doubt it will, but I am enjoying it more than most games I've played lately which is never a bad thing.
Dia on 13/9/2011 at 12:09
After the first few hours of gameplay, I kind of felt like this:
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http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c262/Diah_/TTLG%20Stuff/FUEidosyoumorons.jpgIt seems a lot more complicated than DE1 & 2; or maybe it's just me? I mean, I'm definitely enjoying myself .... that is when I'm not getting lost, spending waaayyy too much time trying to figure out a hack, trying to get my damned augments to work, and wondering if the 20 Mercs that just opened fire at me somehow saw the tip of my hair sticking up over the barricade behind which I was crouching (okay; well maybe it was only like 7 or 8 Mercs, but they had real
BIG guns!). At this point I'm considering going back & restarting the game. I might even go as far as following a reliable walkthru. :p
Also; there seems to be an overabundancy of cutscenes, imo.
P.S. I do like the whole stealth-thing in this game, even though it's kind of sometimes-they-see-you-sometimes-they-don't most of the time.
FriendlyStranger on 13/9/2011 at 12:43
+1 @OP
DXHR was a huge let-down for me.
I finished my first playthrough last week and I can't say, I want a second one. The decisions you make during the game, seem to have no impact at all - it's not like in DX where people seemed to actually react on how you played the game. The game world is WAY to static to be fun - shit where are cleaning bots, pigeons and all that stuff? OK there is one in Jensens office - but it ain't doing anything. Pretty crappy for a AAA title.
The game felt cheap and repetetive, much like Bioshock in some ways. Hacking is a chore. The "press button" ending is a joke. The available augments are uninspired and dull (no recoil? oh really? cheerio! never would have imaginated that could be done:idea:)
While playing DX I always hoped, that the game would go on. I was sad when I completed it, cause it felt so cool. In DXHR I was glad when I pressed the button and the "work" was done. Ain't going through that one again - for sure.
gunsmoke on 13/9/2011 at 14:08
Cleaner bots and pigeons? THIS is what you missed? Wow...I was too busy having an absolute blast to notice their absence.
