Hypothesis: No Hamas = No More Problems. For anyone. - by SubJeff
Zygoptera on 31/5/2010 at 22:28
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
I'm no talking about a pogrom you dolt, but if all one country does is plan for and make war against you what do you do about it?
If you wrote the same thing, in reverse- solution: disband the IDF/ Israel; or give them a chance to be "reasonable", then if some arbitrary level of "reasonable" is not matched level the place with "total war" and deport everyone- then it would be obvious
exactly what you were talking about.
Your argument amounts to "Yeah but they're attacking this time, not the other way round" as a justification, which it ain't to anyone civilised, even if it were an accurate and objective summation of the situation. What you're advocating is mass killings via total war followed by a program (or pogrom, seems appropriate) of systematic ethnic cleansing. That makes you a gigantic fucknuckle for suggesting it, and utter contemptible scum for both continuing to defend it and appearing to actually believe in it.
Brian The Dog on 31/5/2010 at 22:28
Quote Posted by Swiss Mercenary
While we're at it, let's not forget to ship all the Israelis back to Europe, too.
Heehee, then it would be like a teacher in school saying "Neither of you will have it!" Maybe we could turn the whole of Israel into a wildlife park or something, with no people in it :D
Bluegrime on 31/5/2010 at 22:52
But then we would have to teach bears to fly F-22s. :weird:
SubJeff on 31/5/2010 at 23:06
Quote Posted by Epos Nix
So according to this, SubjEff does not believe Hamas is a terrorist organization.
Oh really? Where did I say that?
Al Queda and the Taliban are disseminated now because they don't have control of a specific piece of territory, not under any rules recognised by anyone else anyway.
Dong.
Quote Posted by Epos Nix
Kind of interesting that a staunch atheist
Who exactly are you talking about? Because it certainly isn't me and if you thought I was a staunch atheist you must have got that impression through reading my replies in some other thread and liberally applying your "can't think out of the box" filter.
Quote Posted by Namdrol
Reclaim land?
If you must get hung up about a word look up the definition of reclaim and choose the one you find least offensive.
Zygoptera - I'm suggesting that Israel acts with reason and restraint and stops all the actions that make the lives of Gazans so hard. If after a year of freedom to make what they want with the country without interference they continue to attack Israel what would you have Israel do? There are 4 options. 1. Just take it, 2. Reverse the situation to the crapola we have now, 3. Re-occupy Gaza and try to work a military rule there or 4. deport everyone.
I know it's not a popular idea but Iran, Egypt and Syria have plenty of land they could give up that would house the Gazan population many times over. The fact is the rest of the Arab world is racist towards the Palestinians and doesn't want them (as well as the whole conflict giving them leverage).
Contrast Gaza with The West Bank. What are living conditions there like? When was the last time they had a massive IDF incursion/war there? Who is in power there, and how do they behave compared to Hamas?
Mr.Duck on 31/5/2010 at 23:12
Quote Posted by Epos Nix
Because we've seen how easy it is to "disband" groups like this. Do the names Taliban and Al Qaeda ring any bells? :p
And after you're done, help us disband the Mexican drug cartels, pretty please?
ololol...
:D
Epos Nix on 31/5/2010 at 23:14
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Al Queda and the Taliban are disseminated now because they don't have control of a specific piece of territory, not under any rules recognised by anyone else anyway.
You do realize what has gone in to dismantling their operations though, yes? It was not simply a matter telling them to go away. Almost ten years later, we are STILL trying to oust the Taliban from Afghanistan and Pakistan. Any disbanding of Hamas would require the same level of force because
Hamas is NOT a centralized form of government, but rather a terrorist network with strong political ties, much like Al Qaeda.It's time to give it up man. You've shown enough ignorance today to meet your quota for the next few months.
SubJeff on 31/5/2010 at 23:38
I know what Hamas is but I also know that they are beholden to their support networks and funders in other Arab countries. If the Arab League and Iran agreed that they were not helping the situation and suggested an alternative (the PLO? Shock horror!) Hamas might listen.
It's quite different to the situation in Afghanistan.
When you started posting again I saw a few "oh, he's back. groan!" type sentiments but I thought I wouldn't be lead and would see for myself. I see they were right.
Gryzemuis on 31/5/2010 at 23:47
Quote Posted by Jason Moyer
I think disbanding Hamas is a great idea. Shipping all the "Palestinians" back to the countries who dumped them on Israel (i.e. Egypt and Jordan) would probably work too.
If that works, I got another one for you.
How about disbanding the Republican Party ?
It's clear the Palestinians should have no say in how they want to organize themselves. Or who represents them. It's clear that us foreigners know better. So we should have the right to disband their party. Same thing applies to the Republican Party. We, the foreigners, don't like the Republican Party. (Fact: look how the world was cheering when Obama beat McCain). We, the foreigners, outnumber the Americans. So we should democratically be able to disband the Republican Party.
And that would actually be a favor to all Americans, Republicans included.
Renzatic on 31/5/2010 at 23:58
Quote Posted by Littleflower
We, the foreigners, don't like the Republican Party.
Yeah, but that's just because you foreigners get uppity over every little thing and get worked up into righteous indignation because you just love hearing yourselves talk.
Now if you'll excuse me, I've gotta load my legally bought gun so I can shoot a gay abortion doctor before heading off to church.
Illuminatus on 1/6/2010 at 00:08
Far from any talk about disbanding Hamas, this attack is going to give them new attention and bring huge additional pressure on Israel to end its 3 year old siege on Gaza. Egypt is also going to be in a very awkward position (especially from Turkey) if they continue being seen as an accomplice in the blockade.
The real issue that connects this subject with the Israeli raid last night is the status of Gaza’s sovereignty. Attacking a Turkish civilian vessel in international waters (and then dragging it to an Israeli port to arrest its crew) is already illegal at best, and piracy at worst. The aid ship could have been carrying tanks and the Israeli navy would still be the legally belligerent party since they attacked them on the high seas.
However, even if the aid flotilla *had* reached the Gaza Strip’s waters, Israel’s jurisdiction would still have been shaky, since they claim they are no longer an occupying power in Gaza (despite being internationally recognized as such because of the blockade). Basically, if they claim control of Gaza’s air space and waters, then the civilian population is their responsibility as well, and the continued draconian prohibition against everything from chocolate to cement becomes even harder to spin.
