Hypothesis: No Hamas = No More Problems. For anyone.

Rug Burn Junky on 2/6/2010 at 18:50

Quote Posted by Jokerman

They will call you fascist while trying with all their might to shut you down.
They think they are the voice of morality, but their hatred is palpable.
They believe they are the voice of reason, but they'll drown you with their crazed vitriol, full of insults and ad-hominems.
They think themselves sophisticated, beyond all that biblical BS of good and bad, but they have no problem to call Israel evil.

There was no ad-hominen. There were no accusations of fascism. There were no declarations that Israel is evil. There was, in fact, no hatred (only derision, as Fragony has time and again proven himself ignorant, and it would be silly to pretend otherwise)

The fact that you interpret it as such in spite of the rational, logical arguments I presented is yet more proof of your willful self delusion. I am not merely persecuting you, I have actually shown the flaws in your conception of the situation.

Fragony on 2/6/2010 at 19:00

Of course there was an ad hominum mia muca, or are some of your best friends fucktards. Here we like to call these manoevres a reductio ad hitlerum, or 'blow me'

Fingernail on 2/6/2010 at 19:05

An ad hominem attack is where you attempt to discredit someone's arguments by discrediting them as a person.

RBJ has been carefully explaining why these arguments are incorrect, and then taking the opportunity to induldge in a little ribaldry.

Ad hominem:

You = Stupid,
therefore
Your Arguments = Stupid.

RBJ:

Your Arguments = Don't Stand Up To Reason,
therefore
You = Stupid.

Muzman on 2/6/2010 at 19:07

One on of the faster leaps to "You're radical-leftist fascist bullyboys" I've seen for a while. This debate seemed like it might not go that tedious route for a while there.
(RBJ, the radical leftist. lol)

Anyway, PR stunts sure have changed (and have fairly nebulous goals, suddenly) these days. Lady Gaga's going to have to step up her game from now on.

(to be clear; an activist convoy running a blockade qualifies as a PR stunt. But we knew that. It's what protests are all about. Some seem to think getting shot was part of the plan. That's where reality and they part ways, methinks. You want a conspiracy. How did they know to bring weapons that aren't that effective against any other method of boarding? Maybe self hating Jews are in on it!)

Fragony on 2/6/2010 at 19:24

Quote Posted by Fingernail

read back his post, nothing but insult

DDL on 2/6/2010 at 19:29

Forgive us for not having terribly high opinions of your reading comprehension.:tsktsk:

Fragony on 2/6/2010 at 19:35

Quote Posted by Rug Burn Junky

Doesn't justify it. Sorry fucktard.

Subjeff has at least a modicum of common sense in his noggin, which is why it's so disheartening to see him engaging in such massive self deception. Jokerman seems like a fun little ignorant tard to play with for a while. I may do so as long as it amuses me, though I find it hard to believe he'll say anything worth taking seriously.

You, however, have proven yourself to be an ignorant jack-ass of epic proportions, not worth addressing in any substantive manner due to your remarkable ability to not let reality penetrate your fucking skull, which is why you are so openly mocked and ridiculed. If you had any sense of self awareness this would embarrass you. You have no credibility, and such poor logical faculties that you contribute nothing to our conversation. As such, I recognize that proving any of your fucktarded assertions wrong would be futile, since you will cling to your life raft of ignorance and my effort will be in vain. Therefo

Fragony on 2/6/2010 at 19:37

call that an argument, I like the lyrics but it needs a beat

DDL on 2/6/2010 at 19:41

Er...All of that is true, though.

Jokerman on 2/6/2010 at 20:34

Quote Posted by Rug Burn Junky

No, the fact that I'm better educated, better informed, and quite frankly, much fucking smarter than you are what indicate intelligence. Christ

Haha, your ego is a bit inflated, Mac.
Yes, Christ may also help with it, but personally I'd recommend Buddhism.

Now, let us look at your impeccable, shiny logic, that help boosting your shriveled ego to heights not often known in this board:

Quote Posted by Rug Burn Junky

The fact that you think you can separate the blockade from any of the other questions involved just shows your clear lack of cognitive ability. When you attempt to patronize me with a "try to keep up." you should at least know what you're talking about. It works better that way, so you ought to try keeping up yourself.

Separating, my dear illiterate friend, lies at the heart of the art of logic and rational thinking/discussion. You can say that making distinctions, dividing problems to their basic components, focusing the debate on sub-themes is the nuts and bolts of rationality.

Now I'll depart from the abstract explanation so you can understand what I'm talking about-
Let's assume that Israel is guilty of unjustified aggression and let's assume that you and I are in a committee to investigate the crime- now we need to argue why this act wasn't justified.
If the blockade isn't legal then the political level is to blame and heads should roll on that level.
If the soldiers fired live rounds on a bunch of peaceful protesters, then heads should roll on the military. If both- then on both levels. etc. You see? Separating the issues and focusing the debate can even have real life ramifications!

Capish?

Now let's learn another (basic) lesson in logics:
Statements can be identical to each other (=tautological).
Statements can contradict each other (=contradiction).
Statements can be neither (=contingent).

Contingent statements do not share any obligatory relations ie. A can be false while B is true, but the fact that A is false does not mean that B has to be true. Are you still with me?

So-

Quote Posted by Rug Burn Junky

If Israel doesn't board that boat, those "bad" guys never get a chance to fight bullets with sticks. Israel isn't a victim of a PR stunt, they are a victim of their own aggressive incompetence.

It may be the case that Israel acted foolishly and incompetency. How does that it nullify the claim that the flotilla activists were Jihadi thugs and the whole thing was a pre-conceived, malicious, PR stunt.

Or to put in other words- how can the actions of side A be a proof (or disproof) of the INTENTIONS of side B. Can you explain it to me, brainiac?

But anyway, at least I'm glad my stupidity and ignorance caused you to come from this:

Quote Posted by Rug Burn Junky

It takes a very special kind of self delusion to convince oneself that Israel is somehow the victim of a "PR stunt" or "liberal agenda" in this instance.

to this:

Quote Posted by Rug Burn Junky

I'll accept that there were a lot of Hamas sympathizers that hate jews right down to their very core.

Not a detraction, but a step in the right direction. And you caring that weight of that humongous ego of yours make this tiny step, even more of a wonder.

Quote Posted by Rug Burn Junky

There were no accusations of fascism. There were no declarations that Israel is evil. There was, in fact, no hatred (only derision, as Fragony has time and again proven himself ignorant, and it would be silly to pretend otherwise)

Good. Do you give me your word that you never declared those things (fascist, evil Israel) in this forum? (remember- everything is archived)

Would you say that Israel in not 'evil', but a 60 years old aggressor?
Basically it's saying the same thing, but instead of using a moral language, you employ a semi-biological one. I'm not sure which I like less.

@Fragony
As a long time lurker, I like you too man. I admire your almost saintly patience- alone, surrounded by hordes of self-anointed pundits. I almost never interfere cos a. it's pointless. b. this is not my "homeworld"- I only have some probes stationed here.. c. you're doing fine.

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